Discovery Showrunner Promises Season 2 Character Exploration And Tying Up Canon Loose Ends

[Tuskin38]

Didn't they already promised us this for the end of season 1?

No

 

[Jinn]

That doesn’t really change anything. For me, logic dictates that Kirk should already have been aware of the existence of the MU because it’s something that he as a starship captain should be privy to.

Um, no. Starfleet knows that there is an alternate universe that you access by using the spore-drive. They didn't know that a transporter malfunction in an ion storm can transport you into the other universe, as Lorca told that mirror Stamets and no one from the prime universe. Therefore the only people in Starfleet that need to know about the mirror universe are captains and probably navigators of spore-drive ships. Since the Enterprise has a regular warp drive there is no need for Kirk to know about the mirror universe

Starfleet felt he didn’t need to know, then Starfleet is filled with a bunch of idiots, as you imply. But I’m pretty sure it wasn’t DSC’s intent to imply that.

That being said, Starfleet is run by a bunch of idiots.

 

[Jadeb]

That Starfleet didn't tell Kirk strikes me as much less implausible than the possibility that two members of the same family would be involved in unrelated transdimensional breaches into a previously unknown parallel universe in less than 10 years. If you can buy that notion, might as well roll with the rest of it.

 

[Jinn]

That Starfleet didn't tell Kirk strikes me as much less implausible than the possibility that two members of the same family would be involved in unrelated transdimensional breaches into a previously unknown parallel universe in less than 10 years. If you can buy that notion, might as well roll with the rest of it.

Well, who knows how many other mirror incursions happened that be didn't know about

 

[Dukhat]

Um, no. Starfleet knows that there is an alternate universe that you access by using the spore-drive. They didn't know that a transporter malfunction in an ion storm can transport you into the other universe, as Lorca told that mirror Stamets and no one from the prime universe. Therefore the only people in Starfleet that need to know about the mirror universe are captains and probably navigators of spore-drive ships. Since the Enterprise has a regular warp drive there is no need for Kirk to know about the mirror universe.

So that would preclude the possibility that the Terran Empire couldn’t find their own way into the prime universe by some other means just because PU ships without a spore drive couldnt access theirs? Because Mirror O’Brien certainly found a way, and he didn’t even have the assets of the TE at his disposal.

 

[Tuskin38]

Because Mirror O’Brien certainly found a way, and he didn’t even have the assets of the TE at his disposal.

However he had the information of how Kirk and Co. original transferred over, which wasn't because of a Spore Drive.

Same way Mirror!Lorca crossed over.

 

[Dukhat]

The point is that if there’s more than one way to cross universes, then the TE is a threat that Starfleet should not be keeping under wraps.

 

[Jinn]

So that would preclude the possibility that the Terran Empire couldn’t find their own way into the prime universe by some other means just because PU ships without a spore drive couldnt access theirs?

It wouldn't, but a mirror incursion could still seem like an unlikely possibility. While everyone from the mirror universe were supreme dicks they seemed to be very busy fighting amongst themselves, and with the leader of the Terran insurgence dead and the leader of the Terran Empire abducted and presumed dead the Empire would likely fall into a period of interior clashes and not wanting to invade the prime universe. Also, I'm pretty sure everyone who knows about the prime universe is dead, (with the rebels bombarded and the insurgence and loyal members who knew about the prime universe dying on the Charon) so knowledge about it, let alone knowledge of how to enter it would be extraordinarily rare. Telling every Starfleet captain out there that there is an alternate universe that's a pretty shitty place in which no one knows that the prime universe exist so we need to be ready seems like overkill. I mean, presuming that alternate universes are a prevailing scientific theory starfleet could have already assumed that there was a less morally nice universe out there that doesn't know about us. Literally nothing has changed from that, except we got confirmation that something like that exists definitely instead of likely.

 

[Ovation]

I can’t be privy to the rationale behind all the decisions that a fictional organization makes. I can only use logic as a basis for what I see in any particular situation. And logic tells me that Kirk should have been told about the MU by his superiors.

"Should have" and "actually happen" (in-universe of a fictional world AND in "real life") are but faint acquaintances.

 

[eschaton]

I think there's a point where some of y'all need to accept that DSC's first season unevenness was based on one simple fact:

Fuller's idea was not that good. Plain-and-simple..it's pretty much the truth.

Klingon War
The "Lorca is a Mirror bad guy" routine
Michael as a human raised on Vulcan
Tyler=Voq SOMEHOW or whatever

I actually think most of these were horrible ideas, and the writers who took over after he departed were left holding the bag, trying desperately to execute on something that was, quite frankly, deeply flawed.

But all that's washed out now. Fuller is gone, the arc is over, and we are set with a blank slate to deal with.

It is established (IIRC, from After Trek) that MU Lorca was not Fuller's idea, but was added after he left. He just intended him to be a more generic "hard man who makes hard choices."

The rest is unclear to say the least. We know Fuller wanted to go to the MU even earlier in the season. We know Micheal was a character designed by Fuller, but I wouldn't be surprised if the "Spock's sister" thing was a later insertion.

Saru being a cow though, that was not Fuller either. Klingon redesign is apparently his fault however.

 

[Jadeb]

I doubt that hot mess of an ending can be laid at his feet, either. But I do genuinely wish them the best for season two. (Can't say the introduction of Section 31 and the promise of more MU Georgiou and L'Rell are inspiring a lot of optimism on my part. It's certainly not a clean break with the season one approach.)

 

[Dukhat]

"Should have" and "actually happen" (in-universe of a fictional world AND in "real life") are but faint acquaintances.

I guess we’re going to agree to disagree about this.

 

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[starsuperion]

Wow! The title of this thread is unusual. It's not the modern media's way or Studios to take fan dissatisfaction, and listen to it. Admitting issues with the first season. Usually ad hominem attacks on the fans is what I've noticed. This is a good sign, at least they "seem" like they care about fans concerns. But who stayed and who decided after season 1 to bail will be the question. Promising news tho, regardless.

 

[cultcross]

Admitting issues with the first season

I'm not convinced that's at all what this is. There's nothing to suggest they see failings in season 1 to correct. Only that they plan more canon tie-ins for season 2, which they've been saying for ages really.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm curious what the best they can do regarding the Spore Drive is. They need to make it so inaccessible that Captain Janeway, the woman who erased 20 years of history to get her crew home a little faster, won't even try it. That her crew won't reinvent it.

 

[BillJ]

Maybe I missed it, but how did Mirror Lorca get to the Prime universe?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Maybe I missed it, but how did Mirror Lorca get to the Prime universe?

Beaming off a ship mid-battle during an ion storm.

 

[Tenacity]

There's only one loose end that REALLY needs addressed ASAP

Carol Marcus:
"Starfleet has kept the peace for over a hundred years."

It's simple. Kirk is a captain, not a fleet admiral. Some things are classified and above his pay grade. No need for any convoluted explanations. Done.

Not quite done. Kirk knew about Genesis, Janeway knew about the omega particle, Yesterday's Enterprise Picard knew the Federation was losing. The history of Trek shows that starfleet captains are trusted with classified information..

The reason given in the show to keep the mirror universe a secret is that the knowledge that alterante versions of deceased loved once are still alive and that people could try to kinda get there.

Who say anything about informing the entire Federation about the mirror universe, the question is why aren't starship captains being told?

Plus there is quantum mechanics, unless you want to say that Starfleet admiral are keeping that a secret from the general public too.

 

[AndorianAle]

That her crew won't reinvent it.

Well they invented a way to get to warp 10... In the holodeck... Somehow... When things went awry, they invented an antidote to fix it. Then never spoke of it again...