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Discovery Nominated for Peabody Award

I think it's becoming harder and harder for detractors to stand on solid ground other than their own opinions and tastes. On one hand, that's really all that matters and SHOULD matter to the individuals, but on the other hand...it takes away the arguments those folks want to make about how the show "MUST objectively be bad."

I don't mind people having a dislike or justified criticisms for the show, but it drives me nuts when everyone tries to rationalize away any positive analysis or other recognitions fans, critics, or the studio try to give the show. It shows an odd immaturity/insecurity about the whole thing that I really don't understand.
 
Outside of fandom not much of anyone watches it.

Well, as they say, it's an honor to be nominated.

Vger23 said:
I think it's becoming harder and harder...
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That Emperor is quite the Beau Brummell, you say? :cool:
 
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Serveaux said:
Outside of fandom not much of anyone watches it.

Well, as they say, it's an honor to be nominated.
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Well, usually people who aren't fans of something don't watch it.

For example, I am not a comic book fan. Haven't seen a comic book movie since "Dark Knight Rises." I'm not a soccer fan, so I've never watched more than about 90 seconds of a soccer game.

I know....I know....crazy concept for some folks....the whole "not watching things you're not a fan of" thing.
 
Kane_Steel said:
Cool story bro.

Let's see the numbers that prove 4Chan single-handedly are responsible for the 47% Audience Score for The Last Jedi.

Despite the fact that movements were organized to lower Black Panther's audience score;
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/02/entertainment/black-panther-negative-reviews/index.html

And yet, BP still levelled out with a respectable audience score, despite the 'attack.' Same can't be said for The Last Jedi, wonder why...

But lets not let facts get in the way of your narrative. ;)

Hopefully Russia wasn't involved too.
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Actually it’s sis. But at least you tried. Black Panther isn’t the same movie as The Last Jedi either. There was an effort to actually stop them with it and their communities were banned. But at least you tried.

Maybe you’ll get something right eventually.
 
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Kane_Steel said:
Interestingly enough, Trek fans were also very divided on Star Trek Into Darkness and ranked it as a the worst Trek film at the Vegas Trek Experience..
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Oh, please. Not the stupid Vegas poll again. That was--what? A hundred or so fans at a convention attended by thousands? Possibly conducted by people with an ax to grind against the new movies? Don't get me wrong. INTO DARKNESS is easily the weakest of the reboot movies, but that the one insignificant poll got wildly over-hyped by the media, which was really pushing the "Trekkies Hate New Movie!" angle because it made good headlines. (Do I need to tell my NEW YORK POST story one more time?)

Besides, everyone knows that THE FINAL FRONTIER is the worst Trek movie ever. :)
 
Awesome Possum said:
Actually it’s sis. But at least you tried. Black Panther isn’t the same movie as The Last Jedi either. There was an effort to actually stop them with it and their communities were banned. But at least you tried.

Maybe you’ll get something right eventually.
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That's nice.

You're claims that 4Chan is solely magically responsible for The Last Jedi's 47% Rotten Audience score are still speculative though.

Hardly 'facts.'

Also, BP's audience score started quite low on RT, so those who planned to downvote actually did so. It has only risen up and started to stabilize recently. Opposite effect from the The Last Jedi, which continues to lower even today.

Point is, fans who are upset with a divisive property should not be dismissed as 'fanboys' (keep in mind there seemed to be a lot of women voicing their displeasure about STD on the link I provided). In today's world, they actually have a much larger platform than ever before.

And for all the hate, there are those that blindly love a property as well and convince themselves it is good, often changing their minds in retrospect. You'll see a lot of that here as well; https://www.facebook.com/StarTrek/
 
Greg Cox said:
Oh, please. Not the stupid Vegas poll again. That was--what? A hundred or so fans at a convention attended by thousands? Possibly conducted by people with an ax to grind against the new movies? Don't get me wrong. INTO DARKNESS is easily the weakest of the reboot movies, but that the one insignificant poll got wildly over-hyped by the media, which was really pushing the "Trekkies Hate New Movie!" angle because it made good headlines. (Do I need to tell my NEW YORK POST story again?)

Besides, everyone knows that THE FINAL FRONTIER is the worst Trek movie ever. :)
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Sure.

But when the media pushes the angle that fans are upset with the current film, it doesn't spread good WOM about the franchise.

It doesn't surprise me that audiences didn't care as much about Star Trek Beyond and it bombed as a result.
 
Greg Cox said:
Which doesn't mean that all of fandom was actually upset about the reboot movies, or that the general audience cares what the "real fans' think.
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Never said the entire fandom was upset about the reboot movies, but you had the outlets spreading negative WOM about the films because of the Vegas poll, portions of the general audience will be less invested in a franchise with that kind of negative buzz. ST:Beyond's underperformance was very much a result of how mediocre the reception to Into Darkness was.

It's a similar situation to Justice League bombing after BVS.
 
As I recall, subsequent polls at subsequent cons yielded different results. Too bad they didn't get hyped the way the Vegas one did.

At least this time, mainstream media doesn't seem to be pushing an exaggerated "Trekkies vs. DISCO" narrative all over the place.
 
Greg Cox said:
As I recall, subsequent polls at subsequent cons yielded different results. Too bad they didn't get hyped the way the Vegas one did.

At least this time, mainstream media doesn't seem to be pushing an exaggerated "Trekkies vs. DISCO" narrative all over the place.
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Agreed. Though the Trek fanbase already doesn't have the best reputation. Just reading through a few of the posts on the Trek Facebook page makes me sick. In many ways, the divisive Discovery is really what the fandom deserved at this point.

I'd imagine Twitter is much worse, but I'd rather not go there.

Serveaux said:
Outside of fandom not much of anyone watches it.
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With STD's viewership being lower than Enterprise, it could very well be the core Trek fanbase paying to keep the show afloat.

It would be great for Discovery to bring in new audiences who weren't invested in Trek before, however I think the Star Trek 2009 film did the best job at making Trek 'cool' and relevant with general audiences.

Sadly, I don't think Trek being that mainstream is ever coming again.
 
Kane_Steel said:
That's nice.

You're claims that 4Chan is solely magically responsible for The Last Jedi's 47% Rotten Audience score are still speculative though.

Hardly 'facts.'

Also, BP's audience score started quite low on RT, so those who planned to downvote actually did so. It has only risen up and started to stabilize recently. Opposite effect from the The Last Jedi, which continues to lower even today.

Point is, fans who are upset with a divisive property should not be dismissed as 'fanboys' (keep in mind there seemed to be a lot of women voicing their displeasure about STD on the link I provided). In today's world, they actually have a much larger platform than ever before.

And for all the hate, there are those that blindly love a property as well and convince themselves it is good, often changing their minds in retrospect. You'll see a lot of that here as well; https://www.facebook.com/StarTrek/
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I just ignore trolls, them posting on Facebook doesn’t give them any credence. I enjoy the show, my friends enjoy the show. Someone who doesn’t and wants to complain that it exists doesn’t affect me. So I don’t care that they’re wasting their time complaining on the Internet about it. I think they should get a life.
 
None of this is exactly new, nor has any of it not been noted before long before Discovery.

The fact is as a fanbase we have always been marred by a reactionary element and that dates back to the seventies at the very least. That which is new is viewed with suspicion by an extremely vocal minority, the only difference now being the sheer immersion we have in social media and the extent to which we cannot avoid being exposed to that minority.

Once a fan could watch TNG and remain blissfully ignorant of the letter writing campaigns, the vitriol about the new setting and visuals, the political agenda, the new klingons (yes, that was just as much an issue then). In fact that's exactly what the majority of people did, they watched the show within the tiny bubbles of their own homes and lives then went to bed, went to work, went out with their friends and remained for the most part isolated from any sort of community. Some people wrote letters, some people with the means went on USENET, some even became hostile at conventions and even threatened the cast and crew, but they didn't have the sort of mainstream exposure they do now.

Things have changed, simply by logging into youtube, facebook or, well, here, people are exposed to those statistical outliers, the anger and vitriol. That it is voiced so frequently and so determinedly simply means it gives the impression of being far more widespread than the viewing figures would seemingly support.

I'm not going to claim Discovery has exactly been a masterpiece, but nor has it been awful. There are aspects of it I've enjoyed and others I'm less sure about, but then again I have to say for me it's outperforming TNG at this point in it's life cycle and anyone who counters by seriously claiming they love season 1 TNG I would suspect is either employing rose tinted glasses or outright lying just to be obtuse. It was awful, but went on to form the basis of arguably the most successful arm of the franchise in it's fifty years.
 
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