News Discovery New Character Breakdowns

[fireproof78]

I've a sinking feeling this is going to be one of those times when the internet sends intended sarcasm awry.....

No, I was being sarcastic as well

 

[fireproof78]

TOS showed a 99% human crew where most of the bridge crew at least dealt with their prejudices until a situation occured, e.g IMO McCoy is border line speciest, Lt. Styles (?) showed his true self when the Romulans were discovered, and was very rude and disrepectful to Spock. Prejudices and biases still exist in Star Trek future, its redirected to other species.

And Kirk in TUC.

 

[Spot261]

Anyone ever heard of a guy called Pike?

 

[Nyotarules]

Anyone ever heard of a guy called Pike?

The ardent 23rd century human feminist?

 

[Jayson1]

Anyone ever heard of a guy called Pike?

Of course. Luke Perry's best character, ever!

Jason

 

[Nerys Myk]

Anyone ever heard of a guy called Pike?

There's a peak named after him.

 

[Spot261]

There's a peak named after him.

He had an ancestor called Rosamund I believe

 

[Jayson1]

There's a peak named after him.

A fish as well. Maybe we will see Captain Pike camping out at Pike's Peek while eating some cooked Pike fish while watching "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" on a future version of Ipad and kind of enjoying the Pike character.

Jason

 

[Nerys Myk]

A fish as well. Maybe we will see Captain Pike camping out at Pike's Peek while eating some cooked Pike fish while watching "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" on a future version of Ipad and kind of enjoying the Pike character.

Jason

While holding a pike with a head on it?

 

[Jayson1]

While holding a pike with a head on it?

The head being that of the Kelvin universe Pike. He is has become crazed with the idea of killing all Pike's in all the alternate universe's. This Pike is actually from the Mirror Universe and he is here to kill our PIke? Then when he gets done he has plans for the Jeffrey Hunter version in the Prime Universe . He is going after one Pike after another until he i the only one left!

Jason

 

[bb-kneekey_pea]

I feel like a large part of this thread wouldn't have happened if we were seeing that in this case.

Right now we have a non-disabled actor (Tig Notaro, as far as I know) playing a disabled character. If we were to have a disabled actor in the part, there wouldn't be nearly as much handwringing about "but why do there have to be wheelchairs in the future?"

Yes, you're right. It is (occasionally) easier for people to grasp how prejudicial, eugenicist, and generally ableist they are being when confronted with an actual disabled person, who exists and has skills and knowledge that they can contribute. Tig Notaro is cool and all, but having disabled actors involved would have driven home this point far better. Plus, the whole point is that disabled people deserve to live and work and do what they are passionate about, whether in this century or the next. Goes for actors, and goes for Starfleet officers.

 

[Donker]

You jest, but sites such as http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/ have started documenting the presence of non-white people in historical works of art, and it might be surprising just how much is out there.

As much as I am sympathetic to this sentiment. MedievalPOC is absolute garbage and is basically completely made up badhistory. On a fundamental level they do not understand even basic history.

https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/search?q=medievalpoc&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

Badhistory covers this extensively.
White doesn't mean a lot since it is a modern invention, but I think it's pretty fair to say that the vast, VAST majority of Europes population (as in like 99%+) until the 20th century was fair skinned. On the Silk Road, it ended in Constantinople and Alexandria, from there, European (Venetians generally) merchants took over trade.

Honestly I find this sentiment of a "PoC" filled Europe to be extremely eurocentric history and basically a very American-centric view. Europe is extremely diverse in cultures and peoples, because they were fair skinned, doesn't mean they were the same nor even had anything resembling similar cultures.
PoC people also had great civilisations and cultures, yet for some reason people feel the need to hamfist those people into Europe because of the Eurocentric view that only "Europe" matters.

 

[Spot261]

As much as I am sympathetic to this sentiment. MedievalPOC is absolute garbage and is basically completely made up badhistory. On a fundamental level they do not understand even basic history.

https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/search?q=medievalpoc&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

Badhistory covers this extensively.
White doesn't mean a lot since it is a modern invention, but I think it's pretty fair to say that the vast, VAST majority of Europes population (as in like 99%+) until the 20th century was fair skinned. On the Silk Road, it ended in Constantinople and Alexandria, from there, European (Venetians generally) merchants took over trade.

Honestly I find this sentiment of a "PoC" filled Europe to be extremely eurocentric history and basically a very American-centric view. Europe is extremely diverse in cultures and peoples, because they were fair skinned, doesn't mean they were the same nor even had anything resembling similar cultures.
PoC people also had great civilisations and cultures, yet for some reason people feel the need to hamfist those people into Europe because of the Eurocentric view that only "Europe" matters.

But it isn't just about trade routes, nor are we specifically discussing the "medieval" period. Roman Britain was enormously diverse centuries prior to that and absolutely that diversity extended to colour. Granted slavery was a major (but not exclusive) factor in that diversity, but the idea we had no black population in the British Isles until the twentieth century is hard to support. Much of that heritage remained long after the administrative infrastructure of the Empire had receded and remained with us throughout.