So, a very small part of the show means tossing out the whole show?
I can't stand most kissing on TV but I manage through.
Respect to your opinion but I feel that's a very small part to the show. But...
I agree here.
Discovery is a very good show
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I can't stand most kissing on TV but I manage through.
Respect to your opinion but I feel that's a very small part to the show. But...
Of course you can stop watching if you don't like it. Go ahead. People do that all the time, and most do so without thinking to mention it to anyone.
It's the announcing "HEY, I don't like this! I have the RIGHT to stop watching it!" that's oddly attention-seeking.
I mean: yes, you can pick what entertainment you do or do not choose to consume, but why does everyone else need to know?
Freedom of speech is granted by governments. It doesn’t matter outside of government censorship discussions.
Kirk told us to leave our bigotry in our quarters.
Freedom of speech is not a matter of the governments. It's actually a matter of the people. It's a human right regardless of the government. It matters everywhere, even in public forums.
The problem with Discovery is not the possible bigotry of the audience.
The problem is that Discovery's Producers and Directors should have kept the offending material out of the show, and they failed to do that.
Of course, they did it and continue to do it on purpose.
The problem with Discovery is not the possible bigotry of the audience.
The problem is that Discovery's Producers and Directors should have kept the offending material out of the show, and they failed to do that.
Of course, they did it and continue to do it on purpose.
Freedom of speech means just that-freedom. There is no need to censor offensive material. That is up to each person to judge for themselves:
So you're anti-Freedom of Speech?
You have the freedom to spout your bigotry, they have the freedom to show perfectly a normal part of life.
There is nothing offensive about two people of the same gender expressing their love.
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Your opinion is bigoted and worthless.
And yet you keep wandering into a forum specifically dedicated to a TV series that you do not like. That is why TrekBBS is divided up into sections, so you can avoid participating in threads about topics that offend you.
The right to free speech means the government isn't allowed to censor you. This board is not run by the government, and businesses are allowed to put limits on how you use their services, as long as they are not in contravention of the law.
Since you spouted your bigotry without the government stepping in, your right to free speech is intact. But also, the freedom to say what you want does not shield you from consequences of that speech.
No, the problem is that you consider the material "offending" to begin with. If you're offended by a perfectly normal part of life, that sounds very much like a *you* problem.
Maybe some people are too easy to offend.
There is no tv show or movie that can offend me
There is no tv show or movie that can offend me
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It is a good show. I’m glad (because of people believing it in on TrekBBS so much partially) that I gave it a second try.
My advice to anybody who wants to try it again is to watch the episodes closer together streaming.
For me at least I enjoyed the seasons as a whole (I’m only on the 3rd) more than I enjoyed individual episodes. Which was a change for me from other Trek where individual episodes stand out much more than seasons to me.
That’s my two cents as somebody who didn’t like it/then appreciated it later.
My advice to anybody who wants to try it again is to watch the episodes closer together streaming.
For me at least I enjoyed the seasons as a whole (I’m only on the 3rd) more than I enjoyed individual episodes. Which was a change for me from other Trek where individual episodes stand out much more than seasons to me.
That’s my two cents as somebody who didn’t like it/then appreciated it later.
Indeed. Only food for thought.
I'm looking forward to rewatching the series. I was somewhat down on Season 3 and 4, but maybe with as much of time has past, I will like them better. I hope the final season is good, and makes it a worthy series for the Star Trek franchise. There was a lot to like, even through the bad.
Indeed, and that is always positive
As with anything creative like this, it's all subjective, though I fear some people hate DSC (and sometimes, the other new shows) because of third-party interference. Watch it, decide from there if you like it, and carry on with your life one way or the other.
I unabashedly love Discovery and have since the beginning. I cursed it, at first, because I was all set to dislike it and not feel the need to pay for CBS All-Access, but as the first episode on CBS ended, I found myself furiously registering for the damned app so I could watch the second part of "The Battle at the Binary Stars" and each subsequent episode. Sunday nights became something I actually looked forward to, as I watched each new episode with bated breath.
During that first season the "Orville is the only new Trek!" crowd was loud, and it frustrated me that every Discovery conversation, no matter what it was about had people coming in with some variation of that. I'll be honest, I got burnt out on Berman Trek with Voyager and Enterprise to the point that I really don't want anything to replicate it, I want something fresh. It had its time and place and a lot of it was good, but I don't want a show that feels like that all over again. And as far as the humor, I honestly laughed at the humorous parts of Discovery more than I did of The Orville.
As other new Trek shows have come out, I have to admit I don't know that it's the best of the lot, but it is still my favorite. I'm really hoping they knock it out of the park this season, as I'll be sad to see the show go. I hope Starfleet Academy continues with some of the characters, but at the same time, I want it to stand on its own.
I'm doing a Voyager watch now to try to give it a fair shake. I'm early in season 2 now and enjoying it. I do want to do a Discovery rewatch (my last one stalled in season 2 for some reason, though nothing to do with the quality of the show). I do want to try to schedule it right before Season 5 like I was able to do with Strange New Worlds, finishing my re-watch right before the premiere of Season 2.
During that first season the "Orville is the only new Trek!" crowd was loud, and it frustrated me that every Discovery conversation, no matter what it was about had people coming in with some variation of that. I'll be honest, I got burnt out on Berman Trek with Voyager and Enterprise to the point that I really don't want anything to replicate it, I want something fresh. It had its time and place and a lot of it was good, but I don't want a show that feels like that all over again. And as far as the humor, I honestly laughed at the humorous parts of Discovery more than I did of The Orville.
As other new Trek shows have come out, I have to admit I don't know that it's the best of the lot, but it is still my favorite. I'm really hoping they knock it out of the park this season, as I'll be sad to see the show go. I hope Starfleet Academy continues with some of the characters, but at the same time, I want it to stand on its own.
I'm doing a Voyager watch now to try to give it a fair shake. I'm early in season 2 now and enjoying it. I do want to do a Discovery rewatch (my last one stalled in season 2 for some reason, though nothing to do with the quality of the show). I do want to try to schedule it right before Season 5 like I was able to do with Strange New Worlds, finishing my re-watch right before the premiere of Season 2.
I can't say I love Discovery. Michael Burnham in s1-3 is way too emotional even in situations not calling for it. I like Saru, Stamets, Culber (I was annoyed when they killed him off), Georgiou, Book, Vance, the President in S4, Adira, and Tig Notaro's character, but they all don't get enough screen time. Lorca and mudd were also awesome but ultimately wasted. And Michael being Spock's sister echoes the equally idiotic situation of Sybok being his brother.
The alien redesigns are a mixed bag. I appreciated the greater focus on Klingon culture during TOS era but their redesign was too bulky and strange. Andorian, Tellarite and Ferengi designs were better if somewhat unneeded. The Orion makeup was also too overdone. If anything, the Bajorans and Trolls coudlve used a redesign to actually look more alien but I digress.
I do like the Kelpiens and Kwejians even if Kwejians look just like humans.
The space battles can be fun when I can actually see them but they're often too dark. I like the Discovery design and some of the other ships, and although the S1 Klingon ships don't look bad on their own, they don't look Klingon. The Kelpiens could also use more ship designs of their own.
Aside from Burnham, what really gets me is how the storylines never lead to anything interesting. In concept, they're cool. But what did Voq lead to? Nothing. Mirror Lorca? Nothing. Control? Nothing
10-C was a much better storyline even if they did get off way too easily for destroying a whole planet. But at least it felt like Star trek without copy pasting the Berman era per se
The alien redesigns are a mixed bag. I appreciated the greater focus on Klingon culture during TOS era but their redesign was too bulky and strange. Andorian, Tellarite and Ferengi designs were better if somewhat unneeded. The Orion makeup was also too overdone. If anything, the Bajorans and Trolls coudlve used a redesign to actually look more alien but I digress.
I do like the Kelpiens and Kwejians even if Kwejians look just like humans.
The space battles can be fun when I can actually see them but they're often too dark. I like the Discovery design and some of the other ships, and although the S1 Klingon ships don't look bad on their own, they don't look Klingon. The Kelpiens could also use more ship designs of their own.
Aside from Burnham, what really gets me is how the storylines never lead to anything interesting. In concept, they're cool. But what did Voq lead to? Nothing. Mirror Lorca? Nothing. Control? Nothing
10-C was a much better storyline even if they did get off way too easily for destroying a whole planet. But at least it felt like Star trek without copy pasting the Berman era per se
I think season by season Discovery is a different show and it hasn't been to its benefit. For me, DSC 'proper' begins with Season 3 before flourishing into a great show from Season 4,
I think Season 1 is so incredibly dour. Between Lorca, Stamets and Georgiou I find it becomes a nastier show than I really like Star Trek to be. Snarking and sniping and frowning and antagonistic. It's really weird for me to watch the early instalments when everybody is so unpleasant.
Season 2 is all over the shop and is of interest to me mainly as a SNW prequel. DSC characters are displaced due to the arrival of Pike and Spock and... eh. There are good episodes but the thing as a whole doesn't hold together for me.
Season 3 though, I thought it started to teeter on the brink of greatness... then Season 4 was just fantastic from start to end. I hope Season 5 is the season that cements the status of DSC.
So it's a mixed bag from season to season. But isn't that true of every Star Trek show?
Is it a great show. I don't know. I don't love it. But I like more about it than I don't like and it's certainly become far greater than it was.
I think Season 1 is so incredibly dour. Between Lorca, Stamets and Georgiou I find it becomes a nastier show than I really like Star Trek to be. Snarking and sniping and frowning and antagonistic. It's really weird for me to watch the early instalments when everybody is so unpleasant.
Season 2 is all over the shop and is of interest to me mainly as a SNW prequel. DSC characters are displaced due to the arrival of Pike and Spock and... eh. There are good episodes but the thing as a whole doesn't hold together for me.
Season 3 though, I thought it started to teeter on the brink of greatness... then Season 4 was just fantastic from start to end. I hope Season 5 is the season that cements the status of DSC.
So it's a mixed bag from season to season. But isn't that true of every Star Trek show?
Is it a great show. I don't know. I don't love it. But I like more about it than I don't like and it's certainly become far greater than it was.
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