Be happy.
(That's the only freebie I'm giving out. For now, anyway.
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(That's the only freebie I'm giving out. For now, anyway.
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Discovery: Drastic Measures pre-release thread
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This is the kind of Tos story about Kodos that I hoped would happen in the Trek books.. Exploring more of the back story of Captain Gergiou and Lorca is before the Discovey series is an interesting period of Trek history. I look forward to reading Dayton's book when it come s out next year.
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To maintain visual consistency with Desperate Hours, I hope the cover shows off Captain Lorca's butt.
See, as horrible as an event as it is supposed to be, and sad to lose a beloved character - the part of me that loves continuity enjoyed that reference and was sad it didn't make it onscreen. And still better than Trip blowing himself up. Anyway, if you go with Hoshi having been there, she still has children, grandchildren and great greatchildren and she a long life.
It's worth noting that Hoshi would be 117 years old at the time of Tarsus IV. It's a stretch for her to still be alive anyway at that point, considering that TOS and early TNG treated 70-something as elderly.
^ This, plus the notion that, hey, sometimes awful shit happens even to the main characters from time to time -- Han Solo takes a lightsaber through the chest, Hoshi Sato gets killed by Kodos, etc. It keeps things a tad more grounded and realistic.
On the other hand, it makes things less realistic if the characters we follow on different shows just happen to converge on the same events and places. It looks like we've already got Jim Kirk, Philippa Georgiou, and Gabriel Lorca involved with Tarsus IV at the same time -- putting Sato and Kimura there too might be piling on the coincidence a bit much.
And Sarek's there too if you believe the Shatnerverse, and Captain April is on his way!
Lenore Karidian's gonna need a longer hit list...
I don't know where I got this from (probably just my own head... 
), but I had been under the impression that Georgiou had been a captain for a lot longer than a maximum of three years at the time of the "seven years ago" flashback.
But regardless, I am so looking forward to this. Interesting that Georgiou and Lorca knew each other in the past, can't wait to see how their interactions play out.
And as long as we're throwing out people involved in the Tarsus IV incident... I'm hoping to see some kind of reference to Robert Daiken...
), but I had been under the impression that Georgiou had been a captain for a lot longer than a maximum of three years at the time of the "seven years ago" flashback.But regardless, I am so looking forward to this. Interesting that Georgiou and Lorca knew each other in the past, can't wait to see how their interactions play out.
And as long as we're throwing out people involved in the Tarsus IV incident... I'm hoping to see some kind of reference to Robert Daiken...
I don't know where I got this from (probably just my own head...
"Desperate Hours" had Pike think something about how Georgiou had been a captain forever, but it was phrased pretty hyperbolically IIRC, so it could pretty much have been just "longer than me, and much better at it."
And yet in episode 5 of the series Pike is included on the list of legendary captains alongside the likes of Georgiou and Archer. *sigh*
Well, it was the "most decorated captains." Maybe Pike got a lot of medals in a short time? (Still, I would've rather seen Garth on the list -- it would've made more sense at that time.)
It only takes one battle/event to become "highly" or "most" decorated. Besides, "most" is something of a misnomer. Three Navy Achievement Medals aren't as impressive as a Medal of Honor, for example.
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But were you awarded the former or the latter?
So maybe Saru just chose his search parameters poorly?
At least it would've been nice if the list hadn't consisted entirely of familiar names. There should've been a few names on the list that we didn't recognize, names to get fans (and writers) speculating about who they were and what they were renowned for.
I've been thinking about it the last few days, and (while I agree about Garth) I've come to the conclusion that Pike's inclusion on the list at that time shouldn't necessarily have surprised me as much as it did. By the time of "Choose Your Pain" Pike has captained the Enterprise for about as long as Kirk had at the conclusion of his 5YM, and in that time Kirk had racked up enough accomplishments and notoriety to warrant a promotion to Chief of Starfleet Operations. No reason to think Pike couldn't have accomplished enough in that same length of time to make the top five list as of late 2256.
Of course, we really don't know enough about the search parameters. Would it only include honors that were awarded while the person was a captain, or would include honors received prior to that posting? In other words, if you ran the same query 20 years later, would the criteria for including Kirk on the list count his Palm Leaf of Axanar Peace Mission? Pike could have racked up several decorations prior to ever taking command of a starship.
Everyone's assuming the Enterprise was Pike's first command, but I kind of doubt Starfleet would hand one of the elite Constitution class ships over to someone inexperienced. Granted, Jeffrey Hunter's youth would seem to support the idea that perhaps the Enterprise is the first ship Pike commanded as a Captain, it is possible he commanded other ships while holding the rank of Commander or even Lt. Commander. As the CO of a ship, he would be the ship's Captain, and thus his accomplishments while commanding those ships can still work towards him being recognized as one of Starfleet's top captains. Hell, he almost certainly would have in order to have been given one of the elite Constitution class ships at a relatively young age.
I think Burning Dreams and other Pike novels established that he was already in command of multiple other ships. Also in Burning Dreams he mutinied against a highly unethical captain and brought him to justice, all while being temporarily assigned as XO to the ship. I'd imagine that brought him some credit. Anyway, Pike is great.
Bruce Greenwood's casting throws the question of Pike's age into question. Hunter was 37 when "The Cage" was filmed, and that was set in 2254. Greenwood was about 52 when he first played Pike in a movie set mostly in 2258. So there's a discrepancy of about 11 years there. We could split the difference and assume that Pike was in his early 40s as of "The Cage."