Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

[MakeshiftPython]

My six year old was so confused when he couldn't figure out whether Garak was a good guy or bad guy.

"Daddy, why is Garak torturing Odo??? I thought he was a good guy! Daddy why???!"

A child learning that the world is more complex than Ninja Turtles is a very depressing thing.

 

[Lt. LaForge]

How exactly did you end up a fan if what Star Trek is seems to offend you so much?

Well, some are watching DISCO all the time while whining incessantly. So maybe they can answer your question.

 

[Vger23]

I knew ahead that there was going to be harsher language in this show so I assumed they would just use it during a cliched tense and dramatic moment. Instead they totally surprised me with a moment of levity.

Which I actually thought was quite brilliant.

 

[MvRojo]

I knew ahead that there was going to be harsher language in this show so I assumed they would just use it during a cliched tense and dramatic moment. Instead they totally surprised me with a moment of levity.

I actually liked that it was used to express excitement. I think it would be much more out of place for the characters to start calling other people/aliens "fuckers" or "mother fuckers" or something lame like that.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I actually liked that it was used to express excitement. I think it would be much more out of place for the characters to start calling other people/aliens "fuckers" or "mother fuckers" or something lame like that.

You don't think one of these episodes written by terentino and starring Sam Jackson would work well eh?

 

[Mudd]

Wait I thought you LIKED - The Orville?

Clearly, you have nothing substantial to say in defense of Discovery. What do you imagine you're accomplishing by trying to change the subject?

 

[Mudd]

No, but they think "how can we make this more relatable for the average joe from wackedoodle". They have to sell their show, they have to get viewers. So they have to aim for the lowest common denominator while telling their story.

Beyond which, bear in mind that the producers do not have a free hand. CBS executives have had a lot to say about what kind of show they're paying for.

 

[Noname Given]

Clearly, you have nothing substantial to say in defense of Discovery. What do you imagine you're accomplishing by trying to change the subject?

Huh? Since when was The Orville not a part of the subject here in this thread? Did you forget the title?

Discovery versus "The Orville"

I'm not changing the subject - that seems to be your go to strategy when you want to avoid a question.

 

[Mudd]

I'm not changing the subject - that seems to be your go to strategy when you want to avoid a question.

I already answered your question directly, pointing out the demonstrable fact that your statements about the plot in question were completely in error.

Having disposed of your dodge, there...

The only reason for playing "You're Another!" as you've been doing is that you know there's no reasonable answer to the criticisms people are making regarding Discovery. You've got nothing sensible to say in the show's defense, because you're just wrong on the facts.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Huh? Since when was The Orville not a part of the subject here in this thread? Did you forget the title?

Discovery versus "The Orville"

I'm not changing the subject - that seems to be your go to strategy when you want to avoid a question.

It's no use Saint Jude.

 

[Noname Given]

I already answered your question directly, pointing out the demonstrable fact that your statements about the plot in question were completely in error.

Having disposed of your dodge, there...

The only reason for playing "You're Another!" as you've been doing is that you know there's no reasonable answer to the criticisms people are making regarding Discovery. You've got nothing sensible to say in the show's defense, because you're just wrong on the facts.

ORLY:
Here's my anwswers with regard to the "War Crimes" subject WRT ST: D:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/scr...mmited-war-crimes.290203/page-2#post-12178957
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/scr...mmited-war-crimes.290203/page-3#post-12186387
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/scr...mmited-war-crimes.290203/page-5#post-12194145
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/scr...mmited-war-crimes.290203/page-7#post-12195766

But I was curious how you see The Orville's take on what could be considered the same in:
THE ORVILLE - S1, E6: "KRILL" ?

 

[fireproof78]

It's no use Saint Jude.

Hey, Jude...

 

[marsh8472]

I've watched the first 2 episodes of Orville and all of Discovery. Orville has self-contained episodes and closer to the feel of traditional star trek. But Orville is also too goofy to be Star Trek.

 

[SJA]

Do you actually have an argument to make in defense of this show as worthwhile television?

With greatest respect Ed I doubt Clarence Darrow could change your opinion of this show!

 

[Tesophius]

I've watched the first 2 episodes of Orville and all of Discovery. Orville has self-contained episodes and closer to the feel of traditional star trek. But Orville is also too goofy to be Star Trek.

It improves with every episode. I think the show should not have been made as a comedy, but it was the only way FOX would've accepted it.

 

[fireproof78]

It improves with every episode. I think the show should not have been made as a comedy, but it was the only way FOX would've accepted it.

Or its just what they wanted to tie McFarland to as part of the promo, and then let it carry its own weight.

 

[Mudd]

I saw someone argue that treating the whole thing as a kind of ha-ha lark is McFarlane's take on Roddenberry's old "set it on a distant world and the suits won't notice that you're talking about issues" trick. Cute notion, but I'm not persuaded that it's so. I think he just is fonder of dick jokes than is strictly necessary.

 

[Amalak]

If The Orville dropped the dick jokes, I would start watching it again.

 

[Mudd]

If The Orville dropped the dick jokes, I would start watching it again.

If Tilly told Burnham to stop being such a dick, I'd find Discovery momentarily less dull.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

If The Orville dropped the dick jokes, I would start watching it again.

dick jokes are kinda all it has. outside of dick jokes its just a pretend sci fi show