"There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures........ and the Dutch"
Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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"There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures........ and the Dutch"
The only Michael Caine film I didn't like
You like Jaws: The Revenge?The only Michael Caine film I didn't like
I mean it was the only Michael Caine film that I've seen and didn't like...
Yeah, scifi will always beat out sports for me.
Dutch-hater.
One is streaming online, so no scheduling conflicts, unless in Canada.
One is streaming online, so no scheduling conflicts, unless in Canada.
Yeah, but they are dropping on a schedule, rather than doing the Netflix style binge release. My TiVo can save me, but I like my sci-fi as fresh as possible.
There is no 10pm slot for Fox here in the US. Its primetime programming runs from 8-10pm.
It wasn't Ghostbusters who just happened to be female. It was the FEMALE Ghostbusters and they were going to drive that point home with things like a gratuitous queef joke in the first five minutes. For women to wrap their arms around this film as if it represented a step forward for gender relations is rather sad.
The use of a female protagonist in Episode VII and Rogue One is more of what I would consider a step forward. The problem with Episode VII was the way they had Rey skip a bunch of learning steps on her journey to the point where she seemed completely invulnerable. The right way to write for female heroes is to neither overly emphasize their anatomy/sexuality nor to coddle them to the point where they stop feeling like they are ever under existential threat. At a deep level society tends to want to protect women and men are seen as disposable. It would be difficult to write a scene for Rey where she gets maimed the way Luke did by the Wampa or having her lose an arm because she's female. The main form of suffering writers put women through is rape (for adult drama). The more you write for them differently the more you're tokenizing them.
I did not get the sense in the trailer that Burnham or Georgiou were being tokenized this way. Then again, I didn't feel Janeway was tokenized in Voyager all these years ago. So it should not be that hard to do it right in 2017.
I'm going to have to disagree with Rey not being in danger. There was a lot of suspense for me as part of it the journey. Also, she was traumatized by being abandoned by her parents(?) or whomever, and that's not suffering?
As for Burnham or Georgiou, time will tell. But, as for Rey, she was probably one of my favorite additions to the Star Wars universe since Naboo.
To be honest the queef joke didn't bother me. IMO that was just a joke about being a woman in a comedy film, not a woman in a recast Ghostbusters.
What is it with the queef joke that it's brought up ALL THE TIME? Have you seen the South Park episode where the "Terrence & Phillip Show" (which is just a bunch of fart jokes) is replaced with a show about females queefing? Suddenly all the males in South Park who either liked the fart jokes or at worst didn't care clutch their pearls acting like it's the most tasteless and disgusting thing that ever happened. It's like that just in real life.
How many farts and burps have been heard in movies? And how often does the internet care? Those jokes aren't always popular and are generally considered low brow humor but they hardly lead to huge reactions but one queef and everyone's up in arms.
Maybe some women wrap their arms around this movie because it presented female scientists who succeeded in a field dominated by men, they weren't the love interests who followed the men around or the secretary, they were the heroes. That's a great thing and a great message even if the movie itself was far from perfect. But OMG one of those heroes queefed at one point in her life and recorded it as a joke ... so what?
They weren't successful scientists (same as the original...though the new film pushes them even lower down before they are thrown out of academia.) one of the leads is defined pretty heavily by her romantic relationships, including perving on their secretary (the romantic arc in the originals is Peter, in his pursuit of Dana...and he is not half as desperate.) and they seek male approval several times throughout the movie...the ex-boyfriend, the sceptic debunker, the mayor, to a lesser extent the car owning uncle...all in embarrassing ways. They are indeed heroes, but they are heroes shown continuously to be barely in control of their equipment (again, something which is present to a lesser degree in the originals, but still present.) The film is actually more sexist (manages to do down both genders even) more rascist (Winston is not the racial stereotype patty drifts into on occasion, and is very much more an equal, especially when looked at across both films.) than anything in the originals. It's actually quite depressing. If they had gone for a straight line for line recast remake, it would actually have been better served...if less ambitious.
I need to watch again as there were some things that worked well...but even my very forgiving eye for the film (hey, it's a new Ghostbusters film!) has to recognise that. I think my wife was actually angry at the film by the end for how much it did women down.
(Have to paste comments over from other apps now...this crashing site is annoying.)
Edit: formthe record I have no allergic reaction to the queef joke. XD and do not know why it is the bete noir.
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Rey is like a high speed version of Luke or Anakin. The poster is questioning if that will continue to hold true. She is a bit OP...Luke doesn't do much with the sabre till Empire. And gets his arse handed to him. Or his ...er...hand.
I think she had more combat skills with melee due to growing up on Jakku so it seemed consistent to me.
I haven't heard of "The Orville" before seeing this thread, but after looking for the trailer and watching it, I must say it looks really good! Very entertaining. It is just light hearted fun. Add the scifi setting and I am sold on it. I think Galaxy Quest is great and the series looks like it.
With DIS I am still afraid, that they try to copy Battlestar Galactica too much. It really doesn't help, that the DIS trailer was just clearly darker optically. (Why make the bridge so black for example? Humans aren't nocturnal and generally people prefer to work in a well lit room to actually be able to see things easily.) There was also no humour in the trailer at all. I just fear a repeat of Stargate Universe, which I really hated. Star Trek shouldn't be like that. I really don't want to see another franchise I like to be ruined by someone's "dark and gritty" obsession. That said, the production value, the special effects look really great in the DIS trailer and I haven't given up hope yet, that the series will be entertaining.
I started watching TOS and TNG around the same time and DS9 started very shortly after. And I watched VOY and ENT later, too. I must say though, my clear favourite back then and still today is TOS. Not a big TNG fan to be honest. But of course when it comes to the optic, those two series have both very well lit ships and colourful uniforms in common. Maybe I got influenced by that, but I don't really think so. I also prefer non Star Trek series more, when they are more light hearted, have humour in it and these kind of series tend to be also optically light, though not always. I generally simply don't like bleak and depressive and many series with barely lit sets tend to fall into that category. So that makes me a bit nervous for DIS. It doesn't help that a CBS exec said, that DIS would be "grittier" than past Star Trek series. That is the same thing the Stargate PTB said before SGU came out and the result was total crap.
I'm looking forward to both shows.
I think she had more combat skills with melee due to growing up on Jakku so it seemed consistent to me.
Hmm. I guess. Much like Luke's pilot skills. I guess it's episode viii that will tell how far she is along the curve. Shouldn't technically bb8 have been the death not Han?
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