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Spoilers Discovery and the Novelverse - TV show discussion thread

First off, I'd say that's not the way Kirsten thinks. She puts the good of the story she's telling first and continuity with other stories second. I'm well aware of that because she chose to ignore my depictions of Species 8472 and the Tamarians in her own Voyager work, and she explained to me her reasons for doing so. (Although she did consult me about the DTI and time-travel stuff for her more recent VGR novels.)

And second, just because Kirsten had the initial idea that led to this show, that doesn't mean she has total creative control over it. She's the co-creator, but she isn't high enough in the producer ranks yet to be the showrunner. This will mainly be Alex Kurtzman's show, with Patrick Stewart probably having a lot of creative input as well. If, hypothetically, Stewart wants to play a Picard who, say, regrets that he never married or had a child, or who's haunted by the knowledge that the Borg are still out there assimilating worlds, then nobody is going to tell him "No, you can't do that because of something in some books that most of the TV audience has never heard of." Kirsten may be able to inject some novelverse concepts into the mix if she thinks they're useful to the show, but they'd be just one ingredient in a creative process that would have ideas coming from Kurtzman, Stewart, Michael Chabon, James Duff, and others as well, so they'd probably come out somewhat altered.
Yeah, I get that she's obviously just one person and a lower tier in the whole machine, but still surprised more hasn't been made of her input in terms of Novel verse consequences.
 
Yeah, I get that she's obviously just one person and a lower tier in the whole machine, but still surprised more hasn't been made of her input in terms of Novel verse consequences.

As I said, she may draw on some novelverse ideas, but they'd just be one element in the mix and would probably show up in a different form if at all. At most, I'd expect something similar to how Star Wars Rebels incorporated Thrawn, Quinlan Vos, and other characters and ideas from Legends continuity -- same basic characters, but reworked and reinvented to fit the show's own reality. On the other hand, she may not draw much on the novels at all, instead focusing on creating something new. As I've mentioned before, the Reeves-Stevenses didn't try to incorporate their novel ideas into Enterprise when they joined its staff. If you're hired to work on a show, your priority is to serve the stories and continuity of that show, not try to make the show subordinate to some earlier project. This is a job, a profession, and when you take a new job, you leave your old job responsibilities behind.

I'd certainly like it if there were some way for the new shows to maintain consistency with the novel continuity -- I've put 15 years into that continuity, after all -- but I think it would be naive to expect that.
 
but I think it would be naive to expect that.

True, but until I hear anything definitive otherwise I'm all about the hope :p

(side note - I haven't read the Reeves-Stevenses novels, did they just not mention their own stuff, and/or did they do anything which specifically contradicted it?)
 
If it preserved the novelverse-then I probably wouldn't be unhappy about losing a trek show.

However Trekkies have often rooted against shows they disliked-there was as much a movement to end enterprise as there was to renew it, I imagine some TOS fans didn't want to see TNG succeed, etc...

I don't wish for the show to fail-based on my particular set of circumstances and preferences I would consider it fortuitous if it never airs and the novelverse continues.

Though I know that's not a sentiment everybody shares and if the show does well-then good for it. I would be depressed about losing the novelverse but I would not be unhappy about the show existing.
On the plus side, I personally would have a shot at actually catching up with the novelverse if they reset it. I'd just hope it ends properly rather than stops with a shit-ton of plot threads left unresolved forever.
 
It was a very DUN DUN DUNNNNNN.... sort of ending, with no resolution lol. No one has seemed interested in touching that thread. Honestly, it wasn't even a really great idea or anything, just the way they ended it demands a resolution...good or not .
 
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I had a thought about Available Light after the Picard series announcement that could be a bad sign for the Novelverse.
When the was announcement for Available Light was made it was specifically mentioned that it will be dealing with stuff from Control, and after I heard about the Picard series I got thinking, could AL be specifically be tying off those left over story threads as the first step in bringing the Novelverse to an end. I'm really hoping it's not the case, but it does seem like it could be a possibility.
 
When the was announcement for Available Light was made it was specifically mentioned that it will be dealing with stuff from Control, and after I heard about the Picard series I got thinking, could AL be specifically be tying off those left over story threads as the first step in bringing the Novelverse to an end. I'm really hoping it's not the case, but it does seem like it could be a possibility.

I don't see why you'd think that. I mean, this is the first TNG novel since Control, so it's only natural that it would deal with the fallout of that book's ending. This is probably the same book Dayton would've done a year or so ago if the license renewal hadn't been delayed, which may be why he's able to get it done so quickly.
 
Plus, Hearts and Minds ended with Picard being informed he was about to face the music coming out of Control. It'd be weirder if the next book didn't pay it off.
 
It's been so long since we've last had a TNG book if I didn't have them on my bookshelf in order I probably wouldn't remember which was the last one either.

Dayton Ward is probably going to have to give us a brief synopsis of where we are at this point, kind of like teachers after summer vacation. "Ok Kids, this is where we left off last year....
 
I had a thought about Available Light after the Picard series announcement that could be a bad sign for the Novelverse.
When the was announcement for Available Light was made it was specifically mentioned that it will be dealing with stuff from Control, and after I heard about the Picard series I got thinking, could AL be specifically be tying off those left over story threads as the first step in bringing the Novelverse to an end. I'm really hoping it's not the case, but it does seem like it could be a possibility.

I thought I was the paranoid one. Ha-ha. But I didn't get that sense here. Picard's involvement with the forced resignation of President Zife was bound to have some consequences.

As far as the relaunch books I think we're safe at least until the nu-TNG show comes on the air--and I think they will take us at least as far as the destruction of Romulus, which is only months away in the universe.

Now after that, well that's the question. If nu-TNG makes it that the current relaunch novels can't exist in the same continuity I suspect they'll quietly disappear. I honestly don't see S&S continuing to release books that don't jive with on screen canon.
 
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