Spoilers Discovery and the Novelverse - TV show discussion thread

[David cgc]

And let's be honest, you can't just have a new series and mention all these characters from a decade worth of books and not have people scratching their heads. And you can't just say "Well, you have to go read 40 interconnected books to really get it."

Meh, I still don't see the difference between a "new to you" character and a "new" character. Look at the bridge crew on the Shenzhou. Not only did they get almost all their traits in the novels, we know that, to an extent, they were originated in "Desperate Hours" and ported into the series (at least as far as names and capsule backstories). No one is confused that there are things about Detmer they may not know from TV. No one even realizes (well, maybe the people who wish DSC was a more traditional Trek show that lived on the bridge full-time). Star Trek is full of one-off name-drops to add verisimilitude (the old rule of two real references and one space/future reference in any list). Who's really going to care if Admiral Anonymous says "Jean-Luc, you've trained our top leaders in Starfleet; Riker, Worf, Chen" instead of "Riker, Worf, Madden," or "Riker, Worf, Santek"? Like I said earlier (in the other thread? Who can keep track?), remember the lesson of the First Order; whether a reference is confusing is on the reference, not the origin.

 

[Tuskin38]

It's a nitpick, but "Hobus" isn't even the official name of the supernova star. It's just what the comics called it, though I think STO borrowed it.

Yeah STO and Countdown had some crisscross. The Starfleet uniform in the comic for example came from early STO Screenshots.

 

[The Wormhole]

So I'm still very upset I will likely never get my much wanted Hobus Trilogy

No, shit. Really? I mean, you've only gone on about Hobus for almost two fucking years by now. I never would have guessed the apparent lack of a Hobus trilogy would bother you.

It's a nitpick, but "Hobus" isn't even the official name of the supernova star. It's just what the comics called it, though I think STO borrowed it.

David Goodman also used it in his Picard Autobiography.

 

[Sci]

I'll be sad if the Litverse continuity comes to an end, too. But it's just common sense: Just like Lucasfilm was never really going to restrict the creative freedom of the creators of a Star Wars Sequel Trilogy by forcing them to stay consistent with a crapton of books that maybe 1% of the audience had read, CBS was never, ever going to restrict the creative freedom of the writers of a Star Trek TV show by obliging them to stay consistent with a bunch of books that maybe 1% of the audience have read.

 

[Voth commando1]

Probably less so with trek, a percent of a percent.

 

[F. King Daniel]

David Goodman also used it in his Picard Autobiography.

Mike Okuda originally called the ST'09 universe the "Hobus timeline", because all events span out of the 2387 supernova, until the idea of calling it "Kelvin" came up, because all the events from the POV of the Kelvinverse characters span out from the attack on the Kelvin.

 

[Voth commando1]

I know I talk about the Hobus supernova a lot-and I know it is a fairly large thing to ask-but I have always wanted a Destiny equivalent trilogy to both show this and its consequences.

It makes an excellent way to close the 24th century Trek timeline and set up Trek's far future and mid future.

Its just something I really want.

 

[flandry84]

Cards on the table,I’m really only busting balls about being upset that the lit verse may(again may)be about to be retconned.I find my general interest in Trek waning and that is something that I never would have thought myself to be saying.
But I am really surprised at just how easily some people readily grab their ankles around here.

 

[Voth commando1]

I suppose there is still a chance the show may fall through and never air.

 

[Steve Roby]

Forgive my cynicism-but this seems like a way to reinvigorate the IP after the Kelvinverse didn't do so well and discovery has likely not produced the results Paramount wants.

This has had a few responses. I just appreciate the remarkable wrongness. When Enterprise crapped out after four lackluster seasons with low ratings, the IP was laid to rest, not reinvigorated. That's what happens when things aren't popular. When things are popular, you make more movies and more TV shows and well-known directors like Quentin Tarantino and well-known literary novelists like Michael Chabon want to get involved. The Kelvinverse movies are successful. Discovery is successful. They are the reinvigoration of the franchise.

Glad to have been part of a decades long circlejerk.

I see from your most recent post that you admit you're trolling, so I'll take the appropriate action and move on.

So I'm still very upset I will likely never get my much wanted Hobus Trilogy

I don't remember any suggestion you were ever going to get one. That's from the Kelvinverse movies, after all. Ironic that Pocket's talking about the possibility of Kelvinverse material now that a new TV series makes elements like Hobus trickier to play with in the books...

 

[Tuskin38]

I suppose there is still a chance the show may fall through and never air.

You're such a downer.

 

[BillJ]

I suppose there is still a chance the show may fall through and never air.

Unless Stewart unexpectedly passes, I imagine they wouldn't have announced it unless they had dotted all their 'i's' and crossed all their 't's'.

 

[flandry84]

God forbid.
Would there be a “health check” clause involved or would that be against labour law?

 

[thribs]

If it is indeed set 20 years after Nemesis (2399) then the novels may not be affected since they're still set in 2386.

 

[Tuskin38]

If it is indeed set 20 years after Nemesis (2399) then the novels may not be affected since they're still set in 2386.

the show could still contradict the novels by referring to something that didn't happen, or saying a character died in the 2380s when they're actually alive, or having the Borg still exist.

 

[Relayer1]

However the TV show goes, if, as seems almost inevitable, it contradicts the novelverse, I'd be happy if the current novel run ends with the beginning of ST '09. Then the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff (sorry, wrong show) already established for the JJverse can be handwaved for the prime reset too.

 

[Voth commando1]

To be honest, my interest in Trek has waned as well, and I don't particularly care for Discovery, and the novelverse is the only thing I have been following with any degree of interest. So I'll be very sad to see it go.

 

[BillJ]

God forbid.
Would there be a “health check” clause involved or would that be against labour law?

I'm sure they have insurance policies involved. And, likely, contingency plans.

 

[OCD Geek]

Like @Christopher was saying, it's sad if the Litverse ends up coming to a close, but it's had a damn good run. The only thing I'd want is some proper closure. I'd be shocked if this miniseries debuted sooner than 2020. Hopefully that gives the publisher and the writers enough wiggle room to wrap this mother up before hand. I'm not asking for a bajillion books. I get that Discovery and the Kelvinverse might end up (understandably) becoming the bigger priority in 2019 and 2020. Just a handful to wrap up Enterprise, Voyager, DS9 and Next Gen properly.

 

[OCD Geek]

I'm sure they have insurance policies involved. And, likely, contingency plans.

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