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Spoilers Discovery and the Novelverse - TV show discussion thread

Dick Whitman said:
I have been wondering if they actually used makeup on the Orion actors or digitally changed their skin color? It's so subtle on Clint Howard it's hard to see makeup layered on his own skin.
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I suspect it probably was digital, mostly because of how weird most of the Orions look. Also, I imagine the scenes were intentionally lit weird to help minimize how much digital work was done.

Plus, the digital approach would be a time saver considering how much skin the slave girls were showing.
 
I'm wondering now about how much Influence the new Design and the new Canon Stuff from Discovery has on TOS and 24th Century Trek Novels and Comics.

Especially the visual Depiction of Things in the Comics. Will the Comic Artists still use the Visuals from the earlier Shows for Things shown in Discovery or use the Design from that Show, as it is the newest Word on Canon?
 
Unimatrix Q said:
I'm wondering now about how much Influence the new Design and the new Canon Stuff from Discovery has on TOS and 24th Century Trek Novels and Comics.

Especially the visual Depiction of Things in the Comics. Will the Comic Artists still use the Visuals from the earlier Shows for Things shown in Discovery or use the Design from that Show, as it is the newest Word on Canon?
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When Saavik was recast in the movies, DC Comics kept their original Kirstie Alley-like character design for Saavik, but some later comics went for a more ambiguous look. I think different novel covers depicting Saavik have interpreted her in various ways, depending on individual editorial and artist preferences.

When ST:TMP changed the Klingons' appearance, Roddenberry suggested to fans that they should pretend the Klingons had always had ridges, but this was never a mandated policy. Some comics and novel covers defaulted to a ridged appearance, while others -- generally in later years -- kept using smooth-headed Klingons, at least in the 5-year mission setting. DC showed a ridged Koloth and Kor in its opening issues and a TOS-style Koloth in a later annual.

"Canon" does not mean every last detail. It means the overall body of works considered collectively, the general set of events that are presumed to have happened. As long as tie-ins stay consistent with those events, Paramount/CBS has never been too strict about how their depiction should look. Heck, Tom Sutton in DC's first comic drew the Enterprise interiors and technology in a way that bore utterly no resemblance to anything onscreen.

Heck, the attitude to canon itself has always been that new designers are free to reinvent the look of aliens, planets, technology, uniforms, etc. Each TV or film series has had its own version of phasers and communicators, of Klingons and Romulans and Andorians, of what cities on Vulcan or Qo'noS or Earth look like, etc. There's never been any rigid "you have to match the old look exactly" policy in canon, so why should there be in tie-ins?

My guess would be that comics, games, etc. set in the TOS era will stick to the TOS look overall, because that's what audiences for such things are nostalgic for, but things more connected to DSC will use its style. Or we might see a hybridization of the two gradually settling in.
 
Spoiler for the Star Trek Discovery Comics from IDW

Boreth makes an appearance on IDWs Discovery Prequel Comic Series. The Monastery looks exactly like the High Council Chamber in the Pilot of Star Trek Enterprise from the outside.
 
People have been saying that they made it subtler so it looked more "natural". Just made them look ill humans to me.
It's funny that they gave them hair but not the Klingons.
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
I bet the rationale was, "oh no we can't have the Orions bald too!"

The DSC Orions really reminded me of the old FASA RPG versions from their sourcebooks
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Could be where they go the idea from. They seem to be taken sources from very obscure things that have been retconned in the shows since. Both the Discovery and Klingons designs come from rejected ideas from the Motion Picture.
I mean they must be a reason they were rejected right?
 
Unimatrix Q said:
Spoiler for the Star Trek Discovery Comics from IDW

Boreth makes an appearance on IDWs Discovery Prequel Comic Series. The Monastery looks exactly like the High Council Chamber in the Pilot of Star Trek Enterprise from the outside.
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A Discovery comic? Do the Klingons still look horrible there?
 
So, a bonus scene from the finale has revealed some things regarding the new season which could have an impact on the Lit Continuity.

The scene in question has Georgiou approached by a man trying to recruit her into the organization he works for, which is revealed to be Section 31. Casting information about this character, named Leland indicate he is the Head of Section 31.
 
Impact in terms of adding new information, perhaps. Impact in terms of inconsistencies, perhaps not.
The novels, mainly Rise of the Federation: Patterns of Interference and Section 31: Control, have established that "Section 31" isn't a single continuous operation, but a succession of separate conspiracies that are generated by Uraei in times when the perceived need for them is great enough, then eventually allowed to be brought down/dismantled as a way of maintaining security and correcting course. Both books established that the 22nd-century version was brought down in the 2160s and that the group laid dormant for several decades until sometime in the 2200s. So the version that exists in the 23rd century may see itself as a continuation of the original, but it would still have differences in its specific nature and approach, which would be a handy way to reconcile differences in portrayal.

The only book that's really addressed Section 31 during the TOS era was Section 31: Cloak by S.D. Perry, set late in the 5-year mission, about a dozen years after where Discovery currently is. So what we know about S31 in that era is fragmentary. Any discrepancies that might arise could be justified by the passage of time or by the group being subdivided into different, independent cells, sort of like all the distinct branches of Hydra that keep cropping up in Marvel Comics and Agents of SHIELD.

As far as the books' revelation that Uraei is actually behind S31, few if any people in S31 actually know that, so there's no reason for it to come up in the show.
 
It wasn’t a bonus scene like at the end of a Marvel movie. It was a scene originally in the final episode that got cut.

I honestly have no idea how or even if it’s something they’ll pursue in season 2.
 
The panel where the scene was shown confirmed that it is connected to season 2.
Or at least 'Leland' will be in it.
 
To me it seemed like something that was conceived of as a teaser for season 2 (please let there be more Georgiou!!!), and was cut more for reasons of episode pace and structure than anything else, so presumably their intention is for season 2 to still go down that road??

As for the novel continuity, it totally makes sense for Section 31 to be reactivated during a war with the Klingons, and its not as though their threat wouldn't return, which explains why they are still active.
 
The Wormhole said:
I suspect it probably was digital, mostly because of how weird most of the Orions look. Also, I imagine the scenes were intentionally lit weird to help minimize how much digital work was done.

Plus, the digital approach would be a time saver considering how much skin the slave girls were showing.
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And as we saw from the bonus scene, Leland's Trill spots were holographic, so I'm sure that makeup was digital as well.
 
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