Not necessarily. It'd be easier to paint the spots out than it would be to track them on, and there's only the two shots where they pop on and pop off. They probably would've shot the moments where he didn't have the spots separately.
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Not necessarily. It'd be easier to paint the spots out than it would be to track them on, and there's only the two shots where they pop on and pop off. They probably would've shot the moments where he didn't have the spots separately.
That sounds likely.
I read this, thought "This doesn't track with my memories," and went back and looked through the DC Comics from 1983 to 1986.
Before Star Trek III, yes, DC's Saavik looked like Kirstie Alley. Tom Sutton wasn't particularly great at likenesses -- his interpretation of the characters at most suggested the actors, though sometimes I think he was drawing William Talman (ie., Perry Mason's Hamilton Burger) for McCoy instead of Deforest Kelley -- but, for at least the first four issues, Sutton's Saavik was a pretty decent Alley. Eduardo Barreto did the "Origin of Saavik" story, and Barreto's Saavik also looked like Alley. Past Star Trek III, I don't see any Alley in Sutton's Saavik. I don't see Robin Curtis either, but this Saavik has Curtis' upswept eyebrows (which Alley did not). To me, Sutton captures the idea of Curtis' Saavik, even if his illustration of the character doesn't much look like Curtis.
In the second DC series, the artists, including Gordon Purcell and Rod Whigham, who were much stronger at likenesses, drew Saavik as Curtis.
I have no idea who Adam Hughes' Saavik in Debt of Honor resembles, as she doesn't look like either Alley or Curtis, though she has Curtis' upswept eyebrows.
Point is, I just don't see much, if anything, of Alley's Saavik in DC's comics post-Star Trek III. Saavik may not necessarily look exactly like Robin Curtis in the comics, but she certainly suggests Curtis' look. (Note that I said DC. Marvel's mid-90s Star Trek run featured Alley as Saavik; Patrick Zircher's Saavik in Early Voyages was clearly Alley.)
Well, note that I only said "Alley-like," not "an exact likeness of Alley." As you say, Sutton wasn't great at likenesses. But Sutton's Saavik kept her Alley-like hair bun throughout her tenure as a regular in the comic, and even in her brief cameo in the ST IV adaptation, instead of wearing her hair down like Curtis's Saavik did. Also, she was usually colored with Alley's green eyes and raven hair rather than Curtis's brown eyes and medium-brown hair. (Although I find at least one instance where they forgot and gave her blue eyes.) The only change I could see to the character model after ST III was the straightening of the eyebrows. If you'd never seen the movies, if you knew the character only from the comic, you could recognize her as the same character before and after STIII.
Also Curtis's hair and eye coloration. I figure he was going for some sort of idealized Saavik that didn't specifically match either actress.
I finally saw the extra scene a couple days ago, and I had to look up the actor who plays Leland because he looked really familiar. Turns out Alan van Sprang was both King Henry on Reign and Valentine on Shadowhunters, and I had no idea those two were both played by the same actor.
Prime Lorca. It's set 10 years before the TV series.
So this is actually the only exposure we've had to Prime Lorca, isn't it? Since we never got to see him in the TV series.
Essentially, yes, although I'm sure that Prime Lorca was referred to (although unknowingly as a different person) when Cornwell talks about their previous relationship, etc.
What’s even more bizarre is who are they mentioning at the end of the book.
And Captain Pike has been officially cast for Discovery, season two:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/star-trek-discovery-casts-its-captain-pike/
Pretty good choice, actually. Quite liked his work on several other recent shows, especially Hell on Wheels. Plus he also bears a stronger resemblance to Jeffrey Hunter than even Bruce Greenwood did.
http://www.darkhorizons.com/star-trek-discovery-casts-its-captain-pike/
Pretty good choice, actually. Quite liked his work on several other recent shows, especially Hell on Wheels. Plus he also bears a stronger resemblance to Jeffrey Hunter than even Bruce Greenwood did.
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I just started reading Drastic Measures, a good book thus far. However, I'm almost ashamed to admit this but I haven't picked up a subscription to CBS All Access, so other than the first episode I have not seen the show. I'm a bit old school and still have cable, and I refuse to pay more money for a streaming service for one show, even though it is Star Trek--I'm holding out hope that some day it will come out on DVD/Blu-Ray like the other TV series, maybe after it concludes.
Is there any other Trekkies in the same boat? I did read David Mack's novel and now the current novel--after all I figure I can still read the books. I mean I read all the New Frontier books and there isn't even a TV series for that so why not Discovery.
Is there any other Trekkies in the same boat? I did read David Mack's novel and now the current novel--after all I figure I can still read the books. I mean I read all the New Frontier books and there isn't even a TV series for that so why not Discovery.
There was a thread on the Discovery subforum that had speculation on who might be cast for the role of Pike, and Anson Mount's name did come up. I wonder if this board is being read by some people involved in making the show.
I'm sure that professional casting directors have far better means of choosing actors than reading what a bunch of amateurs online think. But if someone is good for a part, it stands to reason that various different people would independently recognize that fact.
I'm trying to figure out if the epilogue to Drastic Measures would count as a spoiler of the series, or if people who haven't seen the series at all would lack the context to even consider it spoilerish?
I suspect one or two people on the board have a little more insider knowledge than they're letting on.
Or maybe it's just a fluke.