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Spoilers Discovery and the Novelverse - TV show discussion thread

From the trailer, it looks like the more likely contradiction with Sarek
is that he seems to be part of the revolution in Discovery, whereas Mirror-Spock had to talk him into it in "Sorrows." On the other hand, assuming Sarek survives and doesn't have to go underground or something in Discovery, it could just be that he's a bad father in both universes and let Spock make an ass of himself trying to win him over when he was already secretly trying to destroy the Empire, rather than be honest with his son about literally anything.
 
Yeah,
Mirror Sarek dying tomorrow night (or even a radically-different depiction of Vulcan's political situation) could pretty much end up blowing The Sorrows of Empire completely out of the water, continuity-wise.
 
True. There's likely lots of different ways to accept different outcomes here, the novel's, as well as the TV show's, if it does come to that.
 
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From the trailer, it looks like the more likely contradiction with Sarek
is that he seems to be part of the revolution in Discovery, whereas Mirror-Spock had to talk him into it in "Sorrows." On the other hand, assuming Sarek survives and doesn't have to go underground or something in Discovery, it could just be that he's a bad father in both universes and let Spock make an ass of himself trying to win him over when he was already secretly trying to destroy the Empire, rather than be honest with his son about literally anything.

So...
It's ambiguous whether Sarek survived the bombardment, but assuming he got away in time, the failure of the rebellion in the 2250s may be why he was so reluctant to participate in another one later on.

Of course, the Emperor being Georgiou instead of a Sato clone complicates things, but as I mentioned before, the existing books/stories leave a gap in references to the Emperor/Empress in this timeframe, so there could've been a change of dynasties back and forth in the interim.
 
End of the mirror-universe arc, we get a surprise Linda Park cameo where Emperor Georgiou (or, what the hell, the brand new Emperor Lorca or Emperor Burnham) is deposed by the newly-revealed clone, Sato II. It wouldn't be the first weirdly deep cut Discovery has given us out of nowhere.

Speaking of, I'm getting the feeling that the theory about Lorca in fact being mirror-Lorca all along is on the money. Presumably, Lorca-Prime would've died when the Buran was destroyed, and Mirror-Lorca made up his daring escape and, later, hardcore euthanasia stories after he crossed over and found a convenient Lorca-shaped hole in the Prime Universe. Which makes next month's DSC novel potentially very interesting, if it's featuring a guy we'll have never actually seen in the show. What would Lorca-Prime be like? Kind of milquetoast compared to the Captain No-Fucks-Left we've come to know and love? Or maybe he's a huge prick, given that our Lorca, while a bit harsh compared to Georgiou or Picard, is actually remarkably competent, clear-headed, and compassionate by Terran Empire standards?
 
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So...
It's ambiguous whether Sarek survived the bombardment, but assuming he got away in time, the failure of the rebellion in the 2250s may be why he was so reluctant to participate in another one later on.

Of course, the Emperor being Georgiou instead of a Sato clone complicates things, but as I mentioned before, the existing books/stories leave a gap in references to the Emperor/Empress in this timeframe, so there could've been a change of dynasties back and forth in the interim.
I think we dodged some major continuity-missiles here tonight (unlike the unfortunate planet at the very end of the episode), and of the very minor stuff, I really didn't see much of anything that future Litverse MU stories couldn't theoretically "spackle" over to make fit if they had to, even the Empress-reveal.

Even the Mirror Klingon Empire as depicted in this episode seems to be in shape to end up where we see it in The Sorrows of Empire -- evidently not yet fully conquered by humanity, with Mirror Voq talking about how the Great Houses were still struggling to recoalesce (just as in the Prime Universe), and I can easily see Mirror Gorkon picking up the pieces down the road, assuming future episodes don't contradict this further.

And yup -- assuming that Sarek survives, what happened on Harlak could hypothetically be viewed as suppressing his future desire for revolution (and explains why he tries to talk Mirror Spock out of his plans in David Mack's novel). The big thing is whether or not his "hidden" identity gets revealed ("The Fire Wolf"/"The Prophet"), since he basically holds a high-ranking position in the Vulcan government by the time period of "Mirror, Mirror" and David's book.

As you mention (and last night, I re-read "Ill Winds" just since I hadn't done so in awhile), there's quite a decent chronological gap, relatively-speaking, between Dayton and Kevin's story and these episodes, and IIRC, there was nothing potentially contradictory to Discovery (at least, as of tonight) in their Shards and Shadows tale either, so some bridges can probably be built, here.

But, yeah, there's still next week to go, so we'll see what happens.

End of the mirror-universe arc, we get a surprise Linda Park cameo where Emperor Georgiou (or, what the hell, the brand new Emperor Lorca or Emperor Burnham) is deposed by the newly-revealed clone, Sato II. It wouldn't be the first weirdly deep cut Discovery has given us out of nowhere.
Haha, and Linda Park actually retweeted this a few days ago:

https://twitter.com/YeahThisIsHess/status/950198912471662592
 
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Was just watching the After Trek installment for this particular episode, and producer Ted Sullivan basically says something along the lines of,
"If you didn't see any dead bodies, don't assume a character's dead," with regards to Mirror Sarek and Voq down on the planet after the bombardment.

Not that there was any real doubt, probably, but there you go.
 
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Oh, forgot, one more thing -- in the preview for next week's episode,
Burnham and Lorca discuss having to extract the redacted data concerning the USS Defiant's crossover-location from the Prime Universe, and that data can only be retrieved in person at the Imperial Palace. Even if Empress Georgiou's (or whatever imperial state-name she's taken) palace isn't located in Kyoto, again, with the "deposed pretender" notion, it could very well be that Sato III relocates it back to Japan after assuming the throne, or whatever. In theory, at least.

Guess Stamets' fevered babbling ("Don't go into the palace!!") two episodes ago was pretty literal. And we saw a huge Terran battlecruiser briefly at the very end of this episode, right after the planet got bombed and Mirror Georgiou appeared -- a ship that didn't look very "Starfleet" in design. Might this be the Empress's "palace," a mobile royal court of sorts?
 
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I'll be honest, this latest storyline really makes me miss the old days when certain episodes would get novelizations.
 
I'll be honest, this latest storyline really makes me miss the old days when certain episodes would get novelizations.
Those episodes were usually premieres/finales or episodes involving crossovers, like Unification, Relics, Trials and Tribble-Ations and Flashback. Aside from the pilot, Discovery hasn't had any episodes that would have qualified for a novelization yet.
 
I don't think individual episode novelizations would work for a show this strongly serialized. You'd have to adapt the whole season or nothing.
S&S did that for the last season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, so there's precedent.
 
Guess Stamets' fevered babbling ("Don't go into the palace!!") two episodes ago was pretty literal. And we saw a huge Terran battlecruiser briefly at the very end of this episode, right after the planet got bombed and Mirror Georgiou appeared -- a ship that didn't look very "Starfleet" in design. Might this be the Empress's "palace," a mobile royal court of sorts?[/SPOILER]
So that's who Snoke is!
 
S&S did that for the last season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, so there's precedent.
I'm not sure who the publisher was, but there was also a novelization of Emma Swan's arc in the first season of Once Upon A Time.
 
So with regard to Sarek after yesterday's episode 11,
I really feel like The Sorrows of Empire isn't possible. But, I suppose I could somehow yet be proven wrong.
 
So with regard to Sarek after yesterday's episode 11,
I really feel like The Sorrows of Empire isn't possible. But, I suppose I could somehow yet be proven wrong.

There was a significant amount of time between Burnham warning the rebels to leave and their planet being bombarded. Sarek and others could have gotten away during that time. Even if next week's episode has the characters believing he's dead, there'd be no body and no proof.
 
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