Spoilers Discovery and the Novelverse - TV show discussion thread
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You’re overreacting.
If you thought that they wouldn’t change if a new series came out, you were mistaken.
And let's be honest, you can't just have a new series and mention all these characters from a decade worth of books and not have people scratching their heads. And you can't just say "Well, you have to go read 40 interconnected books to really get it."
That makes no sense whatsoever. If Kurtzman's first Trek series for CBS had disappointed them, they would never have signed him up to create several more Trek series for them.
And I can't believe people still buy into the fiction that the Kelvin films "didn't do so well." The first two of them made bigger profits than any Trek film since TMP, corrected for inflation. Sure, the third film underperformed somewhat, but they're still making a fourth and developing a fifth, so clearly Paramount does not see them as failures.
Also, Paramount has nothing to do with Trek on TV. There is no Paramount Television anymore; it was merged with CBS Productions and renamed CBS Studios a dozen years ago. Paramount is only a movie studio these days.
Yes, of course any story can claim that two different stories are "alternate timelines." My point is that fandom these days seems to take such claims too literally and assume they should be applied universally to all stories, rather than just the ones that choose to use the device. I'm just saying people should keep in mind that alternate timelines are just one more fictional conceit like every other. They're not a cure-all, they're not a given, and they don't automatically work the same way in every fictional series.
I was thinking the same thing myself, that Picard could be in his early 100s (so, the early 25th-century) in this TNG sequel series.
How is it annoying? It's basic logic, the tail will never wag the dog.
It’s annoying to those who want the current stories to continue.
Then they need to accept the reality of the situation. Nothing about the novel continuity being potentially nullified is unprecedented, just as there was nothing unprecedented about the Star Wars EU being nullified a few years back. Like BSG said, all this has happened before and it will happen again. There are better things to get annoyed over than tie-in novels being tie-in novels.
Everything changes, and everything ends. It's the nature of all science fiction that it will eventually be rendered obsolete by new scientific discoveries or simply by the calendar catching up to it.
The Pocket novel continuity has been ongoing as a systematic thing for some 18 years now and includes things that started more than 20 years ago. That's a pretty amazing run. Heck, the entire run of Berman-era Trek was only 18 years. And no other single tie-in continuity has run nearly as long. Sure, that longevity would make it harder to let go of it (if that does become necessary, which is still conjectural at this point), but it also means it hasn't been shortchanged.
I won't be upset if the current novel continuity needs to be thrown out the window. It had a nice long run, nothing to get sad over. Be happy it lasted as long as it did, celebrate the stories that were told. Re-read them whenever you want.
I felt the same way about the Star Wars EU. I never believed for a moment that any post ROTJ film story would respect the EU, it didn't make any creative sense. So when it actually happened I wasn't hurt. I'm still buying and reading/listening to EU stories that I've never read before. Doesn't matter to me that they're not 'canon.
I felt the same way about the Star Wars EU. I never believed for a moment that any post ROTJ film story would respect the EU, it didn't make any creative sense. So when it actually happened I wasn't hurt. I'm still buying and reading/listening to EU stories that I've never read before. Doesn't matter to me that they're not 'canon.
I get why people care about the continuity but it wasn't going to go forever.. Things change for a variety of reasons and for the novelverse to be virtually not altered is already impressive.
Having said that, I don't agree with the idea that the novelverse has to be tossed aside cause you don't want to force people to read. No one should have to read anything if you tell a good story.. From my understanding, Star Trek Media isn't treated the same way as Star Wars Where they have connections in the universe..
The Picard series doesn't have to point a red arrow and say 'read all these books pertaining to this one line or you'll never get it' is what i'm trying to say.
Having said that, I don't agree with the idea that the novelverse has to be tossed aside cause you don't want to force people to read. No one should have to read anything if you tell a good story.. From my understanding, Star Trek Media isn't treated the same way as Star Wars Where they have connections in the universe..
The Picard series doesn't have to point a red arrow and say 'read all these books pertaining to this one line or you'll never get it' is what i'm trying to say.
Well, that's true for the most part, but since Destiny the novels got more interconnected, with things like the Typhon Pact.
Or all three, if we count the comics
More like since Avatar. Most of the Trek literature since 2000 has been interconnected and set in a consistent, cross-referencing continuity. It's true that direct crossovers and multi-series books became more common after Destiny, but the shared continuity was there much earlier.
You're absolutely right, but I think that it is an important distinction when it comes to the current situation. If hypothetically the new show would totally contradict everything from the TNG relaunch that would leave all the continuity of the pre-Destiny books that only referenced the TNG relaunch largely in tact (except Titans, most likely). But if it contradicts Destiny that would be a much larger "blow" to the non-TNG or Titan novels' continuity.
So I'm still very upset I will likely never get my much wanted Hobus Trilogy
Well, that can still happen. The novels aren't just shut down. The show won't premiere for some time, so we still got some time. The books aren't going to disappear after the three announced at STLV.
It will take time to write such a trilogy though.
If the novelverse must go under-I think a grand finale of a Hobus Trilogy concluding the Trek 24th century would be ideal for me.
If the novelverse must go under-I think a grand finale of a Hobus Trilogy concluding the Trek 24th century would be ideal for me.
It's a nitpick, but "Hobus" isn't even the official name of the supernova star. It's just what the comics called it, though I think STO borrowed it.