Ah, so the story of how Georgiou assassinated Hoshi and took the throne.
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So are we going to use the different MU permutations if all else fails at reconciling things?
Or Georgiou raising Burnham to be her successor.
Parallel Mirror Universes that split some point after the arrival of the Defiant seems like the best bet at this point. Though is it feasible for an object with the same quantum signature to exist in two universes simultaneously?
Voyager did something similar with Deadlock though it was in the same universe. I don't see why it couldn't be fidgeted to work.
We could argue we've already seen that this is a different mirror universe because the continents on mirror-Earth are all screwy (or, rather, mirrored. It's like they know), where they were always normal before. Like the time Arthur Dent found a parallel Earth, except it was upside-down (or the map was printed by someone who put "south" pointing up, the book wasn't explicit).
We haven't actually seen Earth, just an emblem depicting it.
And honestly, I don't take the visuals in DSC all that literally. Not only because so many of the designs are so radically different, but because the VFX in general are quite fanciful and unbelievable even by Trek standards. As time goes on, I grow more partial to Roddenberry's implicit notion that Star Trek is not a literal depiction of its universe, but a dramatization of its events with a degree of artistic license. So a lot of the inconsistencies just come down to different interpretations by different dramatizers.
More likely, each successive Emperor creates a new logo to their liking, and thus the whole Empire immediately adopts that logo and pretends there never was any other.
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The MU permutation thing is something the novels have already established-with what at least two confirmed timelines in which the Terran empire survives?
It seems to me to be the easiest way to resolve the issue-Discovery went into a differing permutation where Sato never established her dynasty.
It seems to me to be the easiest way to resolve the issue-Discovery went into a differing permutation where Sato never established her dynasty.
Actually, the writer of Vaulting Ambitions has Tweeted that Emperor Georgiou is connected to the Sato dynasty.
https://twitter.com/jnardino/status/955640614640533504
https://twitter.com/jnardino/status/955640614640533504
Read it again.
"Georgiou must either be connected to her in a chain of succession or might want to create that connection....."
He didn't give a straight answer. She could be, or she could not be.
He does give possibilities if she was.
He also says his tweets are not canon because it wasn't said on screen. Though we're in the lit subforum, that isn't a problem lol
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I have yet to read them, but am I right in thinking that the Mirror Universe in the novelverse is pretty much a done deal, with Rise Like Lions being the finale?
If that's the case, does it really matter if it's contradicted by the new series? It's likely only a matter of time until the entire novelverse goes the way of the pre-Disney Star Wars Expanded Universe, anyways.
If that's the case, does it really matter if it's contradicted by the new series? It's likely only a matter of time until the entire novelverse goes the way of the pre-Disney Star Wars Expanded Universe, anyways.
Does it really matter?
Does it REALLY matter?
DOES IT REALLY MATTER?!?
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Does it REALLY matter?
DOES IT REALLY MATTER?!?
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The Litverse MU was revisited in Section 31 Disavowed which picked up on a story thread teased at in the epilogue of Rise Like Lions.
Ah, so not quite done yet.
It matters because the MU stories are closely interconnected with the main-timeline novel continuity through books like Fearful Symmetry, The Soul Key, and Rise Like Lions. If those stories are part of the overall history of that continuity, then contradicting them would create a discrepancy with the continuity as a whole. After all, continuity is about the past as well as the future.
People forget that the pre-Disney EU weathered quite a few contradictions as a result of the prequel films, The Clone Wars, and the like. Many of its older stories were contradicted by new productions, and the EU dealt with the inconsistencies case-by-case, either finding ways to reconcile the inconsistencies or just glossing over the parts that could no longer work. The EU continued to exist and carry on the pretense of being a continuous whole, while selectively rewriting parts of itself to keep up with new canon as needed. The Pocket novel continuity has already done the same with the new continuity added by Enterprise, which occasionally created some conflicts with older books. So at this point, there's no reason to assume we can't continue to do the same, at least for a while.
Also, part of the reason the EU was formally shut down is because it had been made with the pretense that it was the sole, exclusive version of Star Wars continuity outside the films and shows, and thus the new films, to have the freedom to start fresh, pretty much had to declare it null and void. But the Pocket novelverse is not the only Trek tie-in continuity. It's one of several mutually inconsistent continuities, along with the IDW comics, the Star Trek Online MMORPG, the Modiphius Adventures RPG, etc. So it doesn't have the same pseudo-authoritative standing that the SWEU did, so there's probably less reason for CBS to issue any kind of formal shutdown order for it. I don't know what the future holds for the Novelverse, but I do know that the Star Wars EU is a very bad, deeply misleading analogy for it.
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Before any reboot happens I do want to see Trek novels in the current continuity at least make it to the 25th century.
I don't think anything seen thus far has contradicted anything from the modern Litverse, and think there's alot of leeway regarding the activities of the 2250s MU. It certainly isn't more incompatible than Discovery at large is to the prime Litverse.
The end goal of the Mirror Universe episodes is still likely in parity with Mirror, Mirror. Certain revelations about eyesight are so out of left field that they can probably be ignored or explained away in future media (bright lighting on TOS might have some UV protection or something).
And even if something big happens, I don't think permutations are the best response in Lit. It's the MU, so cover-ups and propaganda are in heavy quantity, and future works can have plenty of fun just reconciling things in story than having to shunt them into another universe.
The end goal of the Mirror Universe episodes is still likely in parity with Mirror, Mirror. Certain revelations about eyesight are so out of left field that they can probably be ignored or explained away in future media (bright lighting on TOS might have some UV protection or something).
And even if something big happens, I don't think permutations are the best response in Lit. It's the MU, so cover-ups and propaganda are in heavy quantity, and future works can have plenty of fun just reconciling things in story than having to shunt them into another universe.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/01/writer-jordon-nardino-on-georgious-many-names/
I'm a bit confused. Jordan Nardino's tweets alternately seem to consider "Georgiou" to be Georgiou's family name and regard Georgiou as Chinese-Malaysian like Michelle Yeoh.
Are the show's writers aware that Desperate Hours depicted "Georgiou" to be a surname leftover from Prime Georgiou's since-ended marriage? I would have assumed David Mack got that from the show writers.
Mirror Georgiou doesn't strike me as the marrying type.
I'm a bit confused. Jordan Nardino's tweets alternately seem to consider "Georgiou" to be Georgiou's family name and regard Georgiou as Chinese-Malaysian like Michelle Yeoh.
Are the show's writers aware that Desperate Hours depicted "Georgiou" to be a surname leftover from Prime Georgiou's since-ended marriage? I would have assumed David Mack got that from the show writers.
Mirror Georgiou doesn't strike me as the marrying type.
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