Disco's version of TOS/TAS: Differences

[CaptainMurdock]

Whole season. I'm not getting a "dark and gritty" vibe out of S2. Not from the previews and not from the shorts.

And, in terms of of darkness, DSC S1 has nothing on BSG, particularly its third season.

Agreed, I meant for season one. But I'm glad season two is going for something lighter and more adventure heavy which is what I enjoy. BSG kinda had the opposite effect, I dug it at first but the further I got into it, it was wearing me down. I don't think I ever got around to season 4. I need to rewatch the series at some point.

But the entire season was full of call backs that non-fans wouldn't get.

Perhaps so but that's my feelings on Season one. Perhaps I just didn't notice all the callbacks.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Perhaps so but that's my feelings on Season one. Perhaps I just didn't notice all the callbacks.

Really? Because they kind of went overboard in that direction, IMO.

 

[Tuskin38]

Agreed, I meant for season one. But I'm glad season two is going for something lighter and more adventure heavy which is what I enjoy. BSG kinda had the opposite effect, I dug it at first but the further I got into it, it was wearing me down. I don't think I ever got around to season 4. I need to rewatch the series at some point.


Perhaps so but that's my feelings on Season one. Perhaps I just didn't notice all the callbacks.

Trek Core has an article for every episode of season 1 pointing them out.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

Really? Because they kind of went overboard in that direction, IMO.

The TOS callbacks never bothered me, I enjoyed those but my problems with Discovery stem from the overall story, direction and pacing. They opened way to many plot threads, some seemed to have gone nowhere and others were rushed to an unsatisfying or unworthy conclusion.

Trek Core has an article for every episode of season 1 pointing them out.

I'll have to check it out. I haven't visited Trek Core in a while.

 

[Tuskin38]

The TOS callbacks never bothered me, I enjoyed those but my problems with Discovery stem from the overall story, direction and pacing. They opened way to many plot threads, some seemed to have gone nowhere and others were rushed to an unsatisfying or unworthy conclusion.


I'll have to check it out. I haven't visited Trek Core in a while.

I should be more specific, they have an individual article for each episode, usually came out a few days after it aired.

http://trekcore.com/blog/?s=canon+connections

This should be all of them

 

[Amasov]

I think they should go for a brand new audience in theory. In practice, Discovery is on CBS All Access. If I'm not interested in Star Trek, why would I want to pay for CBSAA? I wouldn't.

The only way I'd start watching DSC, if it were my first Star Trek series, would be if they were playing it on regular TV. "You could've watched the first episode on CBS!" Maybe. But one episode wouldn't have been enough to justify me getting a new streaming service just to watch the rest of the series. I thought "A Vulcan Hello" was good, true, but nothing is that good that I want to get a new streaming service based on the strength of one episode alone, if this was my first time watching Star Trek.

The nice thing about streaming services is, you can sign up and watch their original content anytime. It doesn’t have to be immediately after the first episode is aired. I’m sure CBS was counting on the majority of people initially signing up to be Star Trek fans.

Later when a full season — or maybe a few — are completed, plus if All Access offers some other compelling content (I loved Tell Me a Story and am really looking forward to The Twilight Zone), new people will jump on board and watch.

 

[Ronald Held]

Should have stated it was a parallel owe universe to the TOS one or admit the Prime timeliness changed by ENT??

 

[Ovation]

Or we could, you know, just watch the show and choose not to worry about “prime”—it is just a TV show, after all.

 

[Tuskin38]

Should have stated it was a parallel owe universe to the TOS one or admit the Prime timeliness changed by ENT??

Why does it matter what they say? Believe what you want.

 

[fireproof78]

Should have stated it was a parallel owe universe to the TOS one or admit the Prime timeliness changed by ENT??

They don't need to say anything.

My own personal theory is that Enterprise is a slightly altered universe from the original TOS one due to the events of First Contact. Enterprise led to the USS Kelvin and the Kelvin led in to Discovery.

As with all my Trek theories, TOS stands on its own.

 

[Dukhat]

Wait -- so you are saying the reason why people in 1979 should have been totally OK with changing the look of the Klingons onscreen was that they could assume that there would eventually be an onscreen explanation 26 years later in 2005 (or 17 years later, if we want to count DS9's "non-explanation" as an explanation)?

Huh? I never said that at all. Where did you get that idea?

What if that 2005 onscreen explanation never happened?...Would that mean that the Star Trek fans who watched TMP in 1979 should retroactively be outraged?

Er, no.

What if the DSC showrunners tell you that they will never provide an in-universe explanation for the look of their Klingons vs. the look of other Trek Klingons, and that the reason they changed is simply because they could do something different (just like the reason the makers of TMP changed the Klingons)? Would that change your opinion?

My opinion of what? That the producers of DSC decided to abandon the look of TOS? Why would it matter then if they never provide and in-universe explanation?

 

[Manchester]

I can grok 1. It's just that in Star Trek, this never affects anything, and never amounts to 2. If the world suddenly looks like TNG, TOS still happened exactly like it did. If it looks like Kelvinverse, TNG and the TOS movies still happened exactly like they did. This is made explicit in the respective spinoffs.

Now, this thread is not about that phenomenon. It's about a different premise, as you make clear. It's just that the premise is somewhat alien to Trek, which might confuse the audiences.

Ookay... So, what would be different from TOS ten years down the line when DSC spilled over to the 2260s? That is, being dictated as being different by DSC? Not the uniforms - they tend to change overnight anyway. Not the sidearms - same deal. The more permanent fixtures such as ships, perhaps - although the "more varied designs" argument already covers that, since TOS didn't show us anything and thus didn't dictate or contradict anything. The hero ship could be the same, that is, become the same. The holotech? If anything, it's more advanced in TAS than in DSC. The forcefields? Same deal, they become invisible by TOS.

So basically I'm having to state here that a lot would be different, that is, different from DSC and thus perhaps similar to TOS, because that's how Trek usually works in the timescale of decades. Which is disappointing for the thread, alas.

But if nothing was different from DSC, then the thread becomes duller still: TOS is just DSC, in a differently shaped ship but otherwise with the DSC props and aesthetics. I can't see the plots affected much either way.

Timo Saloniemi

Very well said. Nothing major changes. Some things in TOS are actually enhanced.

 

[Manchester]

Should have stated it was a parallel owe universe to the TOS one or admit the Prime timeliness changed by ENT??

Why? What would that accomplish?

 

[Lord Garth]

Come on. It's almost the '20s... we can't have a show that looks like it's from the '60s.

... I've been wanting to use that one.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Why? What would that accomplish?

It would have ended like four arguments here and then created 30 new ones

 

[Amasov]

The TOS callbacks never bothered me, I enjoyed those but my problems with Discovery stem from the overall story, direction and pacing. They opened way to many plot threads, some seemed to have gone nowhere and others were rushed to an unsatisfying or unworthy conclusion.


I'll have to check it out. I haven't visited Trek Core in a while.

I think also, while there are lots of callbacks, that if this is your first Trek, it doesn't add any confusion. I, for one, thought they did a great job explaining the events that brought the Defiant into the mirror universe. To a non-fan, Michael's explanation of how the Defiant arrived there was quick and doesn't even seem to suggest that those events happened on another series.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think also, while there are lots of callbacks, that if this is your first Trek, it doesn't add any confusion. I, for one, thought they did a great job explaining the events that brought the Defiant into the mirror universe. To a non-fan, Michael's explanation of how the Defiant arrived there was quick and doesn't even seem to suggest that those events happened on another series.

I suspect that was a little test to see how many people would then go see "In a Mirror, Darkly" and maybe check out the rest of ENT, since all the Trek shows are on CBS-AA/Netflix.

 

[Amasov]

I suspect that was a little test to see how many people would then go see "In a Mirror, Darkly" and maybe check out the rest of ENT, since all the Trek shows are on CBS-AA/Netflix.

Yeah, maybe! What I've been telling people who are getting into Discovery, but, not familiar with past shows -- that moment is sort of a Rogue One for Trek. There's a two part episode detailing those events called In a Mirror, Darkly, from Star Trek: Enterprise that's worth checking out for curiosity sake.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yeah, maybe! What I've been telling people who are getting into Discovery, but, not familiar with past shows -- that moment is sort of a Rogue One for Trek. There's a two part episode detailing those events called In a Mirror, Darkly, from Star Trek: Enterprise that's worth checking out for curiosity sake.

I don't know. Truth be told, much of Enterprise's fourth season is incomprehensible to people who have no familiarity with Star Trek, In a Mirror Darkly especially.

 

[Amasov]

I don't know. Truth be told, much of Enterprise's fourth season is incomprehensible to people who have no familiarity with Star Trek, In a Mirror Darkly especially.

But I'm not referring to Enterprise; I'm referring to a specific moment in Discovery.