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Different design for the NX-01

I never had any issues with the NX as the hero ship for the show. However, there have been good points made about the Conestoga and agree with some of them. I think if it were used as support ships, and part of the fleet, might have been more suited to that design.
 
I used to hate the design of the NX-01. Hated it with a passion, mainly because it was a blatant ripoff of the Akira class. Or so I thought. Lately however, I've found out some information that makes me appreciate the design much more.

1. The producers of ENTERPRISE originally wanted the use the actual Akira class ship for the NX-01, their rationale being that we Star Trek fans are so frakking stupid that we'd never notice a background ship from the 24th century as the main ship from the 22nd, and also that the design is KEWL!!!:rolleyes:

2. Doug Drexler, a very smart guy who knew better, realized how much of a mistake that would have been. However, the producers insisted that the Akira be used.

3. Drexler therefore, of his own accord, went about changing aspects of the Akira that would still please the producers but at the same time create a distinct difference for the time period the NX-01 was built in. That's why it looks so much like the Akira, not because it was ripped off. And for his perseverance, poor Doug ended up getting all kinds of shit from asshole Trek fans like us who kept bitching about his design, not knowing the true story. And considering what we could have ended up with had Drexler not intervened, I'm pretty damn happy with the design as it is.
 
I do have to admit, that sort of willingness to cut corners on the part of the producers (not Doug Drexler specifically) does tend to bother me a bit as a fan. There are a lot of things in ENT that could have been better than they were, and weren't in part because of laziness on the studio's part. Much like how VOY ran into problems with Executive Meddling because UPN wanted it to be TNG Lite.
 
There were alot of cheapness and laziness in ENT, DS9 and VOY.

Reuse of stock footage of important plot points and the reuse of ships across all quadrants and centuries is just horrid.
 
I wonder what it would be like if this design was used instead of the NX design. I mean a few years after that show was cancelled would someone post the designs for the NX and say "Hey doesn't that look cool, we should have used that instead of this. Looking back it would have been nice but we got stuck with this." :(

You might be right, and I would be one. I do like the NX design for ENT. But the Conestoga does have more of uniqueness about it. While the NX shows a design lineage that was carried out to the Akira. Both are beautiful designs.
 
I never had a big problem with the NX-01. This Conestoga-class ship is interesting, but I agree with those who think it would've been good as a supporting player, an earlier Earth Starfleet design. Someone mentioned the Valiant -- wonder if it was an NX-series ship? -- RR
 
Someone mentioned the Valiant -- wonder if it was an NX-series ship?

The one from "Where No Man Has Gone Before" would have been too early, by a century or so. The one from "A Taste of Armageddon" would have been a bit too late, since she went missing only about half a century before the 2260s, while NX-01 was retired for some reason before the 2160s already. But I'm sure Starfleet had plenty of Valiants in between. For all we know, one of those suffers a horrible fate every eighteen and a half years...

For some reason, the computer game Star Trek: Legacy uses the Conestoga, slightly modified, for a scout vessel in the part of that game that is set in the 2150s. Fast, with a dash mode for extra speed, but weak in combat. Looks cute in that role, actually.

Timo Saloniemi
 
There were alot of cheapness and laziness in ENT, DS9 and VOY.

Reuse of stock footage of important plot points and the reuse of ships across all quadrants and centuries is just horrid.

And in that regard, they were continuing a horrid ole Trek tradition. :)
 
Is the fact that they used the Akira design really such an issue? As mentioned, it was a backround ship, barely seen, someone did take some time designing the Akira (maybe even Drexler himself, but I could be totally wrong about that) and it's a good design, why waste it? The NX-01 is not the exact same ship as the Akira really, it doesn't look that much like any other popular on-screen hero ship, it fits the series' era... but that's the other point, most of Starfleet designs (99% I'd guess) do use the twin nacelle, saucer section, deflector array, model...why is the NX-01 critisized for it? It's a good looking ship IMO, and it is an obvious Star Trek ship at first look. You could take an average person, or non-fan, and show them a picture of the NX-01 and ask 'em what show it's from and even if they never heard of ST:ENT they'll most likely say Star Trek. Is that a bad thing?
 
Is the fact that they used the Akira design really such an issue?

If you were around all those years ago when the design was first officially shown, then you'd already know the answer to that question.
 
Is the fact that they used the Akira design really such an issue? As mentioned, it was a backround ship, barely seen, someone did take some time designing the Akira (maybe even Drexler himself, but I could be totally wrong about that) and it's a good design, why waste it?

A common mistake everyone makes in regards to the Akira class is calling it "some background ship." It is not "some background ship," it is in fact surprisingly prominent for a non-lead ship. It's an Akira class ship that flies by the Borg cube as it explodes in First Contact. That's one of the movie's signature shots and this image has been reproduced in countless books and magazines, not to mention a few desktop images. Add to that that it's seen very prominently in a Voyager episode, Message In A Bottle. It can bee seen leading two Defiants to retake the Prometheus. An Akira's destruction was focused on quite prominentally in a Dominion War battle. In fact, that particular example has led to people saying stupid things like "I saw Enterprise NX-01 in DS9!" It has also been used very extensively in Trek video games, even appeared on the front of the box of one of the old PC games. The ship is very recognizable even to casual Trek fans. Using this as the NX-01's design is simply cheap and lazy and shows no motivation or creativity on the part of Enterprise's production staff.

This is not a continuity complaint, but given the show took place in an era prior to TOS, it is especially thoughtless to take a ship design from the TNG era and slap some modifications to it to make it look pre-TOS. It's the same as taking a modern-day aircraft carrier but putting it in the 1800s with the only differance being that it's made of wood. It just doesn't work.

Oh and the Akira was designed by Alex Jaeger, not Doug Drexler.
 
Well I've always thought they just used Starship Creator to make it, it looks exactly like
the different types of parts they had to choose from especially the saucer.
 
The producers of ENTERPRISE originally wanted the use the actual Akira class ship for the NX-01

I find that highly unlikely.

Obviously they wanted a ship that *looked* sort of like an old variant of that ship. But to suggest that the literal, 24th century Akira was the one they wanted, is utterly ludicrous. I'm going to have to ask for more proof on that.
 
Is the fact that they used the Akira design really such an issue? As mentioned, it was a backround ship, barely seen, someone did take some time designing the Akira (maybe even Drexler himself, but I could be totally wrong about that) and it's a good design, why waste it?

A common mistake everyone makes in regards to the Akira class is calling it "some background ship." It is not "some background ship," it is in fact surprisingly prominent for a non-lead ship. It's an Akira class ship that flies by the Borg cube as it explodes in First Contact. That's one of the movie's signature shots and this image has been reproduced in countless books and magazines, not to mention a few desktop images. Add to that that it's seen very prominently in a Voyager episode, Message In A Bottle. It can bee seen leading two Defiants to retake the Prometheus. An Akira's destruction was focused on quite prominentally in a Dominion War battle. In fact, that particular example has led to people saying stupid things like "I saw Enterprise NX-01 in DS9!" It has also been used very extensively in Trek video games, even appeared on the front of the box of one of the old PC games. The ship is very recognizable even to casual Trek fans. Using this as the NX-01's design is simply cheap and lazy and shows no motivation or creativity on the part of Enterprise's production staff.


Ok, I suppose, but...
I'm still not sure it's thoughtless... it IS the Enterprise, every Enterprise has a saucer section and two nacelles swept back, from TOS thru Enterprise E. The NX-01 is still the Enterprise, every starfleet ship since the TOS Enterprise is based on THAT classic design, if they tacked on a secondary hull would that of made everyone happy? BTW,The Excelsior from Star Trek 3 looks a lot like the Enterprise... did that piss everybody off? All the books, and games, and online stuff, all depict ships with that basic configuration. The Akira class ship wouldn't look the way it does had not been for that basic element of design, so I still don't see it as any kind of issue really. I really don't.



This is not a continuity complaint, but given the show took place in an era prior to TOS, it is especially thoughtless to take a ship design from the TNG era and slap some modifications to it to make it look pre-TOS. It's the same as taking a modern-day aircraft carrier but putting it in the 1800s with the only differance being that it's made of wood. It just doesn't work.

That's stretching it a bit don't you think? It's a more apt example the take the first aircraft carrier and comparing it to the latest aircraft carrier, it may have changed in size and technology but still shares many of the same design elements. Same with cars and planes and submarines.

But let's play it your way, you take a modern aircraft carrier back to the 1800's and down grade it to that eras tech: It's now made of wood, it has sails now too. No planes yet so no landing deck... ok. Now let's take the Akira class ship back to Archer's era and down grade it to tech of that time, no sheilds so hull plating should do, no warp 9.9 yet so it's fitted with that eras fastest warp 5 drive instead, transporter tech is iffy, no tractor beam of course so fit it with a grapple hook, it'll be a bit smaller don't have replicators for all the titanium yet, on and on... sounds 'bout right, eh?

NX-01 was more like the first fully realized car, not the first thing to ever have wheels.

Is the fact that they used the Akira design really such an issue?

If you were around all those years ago when the design was first officially shown, then you'd already know the answer to that question.

I was around all those years, and I didn't really notice it that much, it's a backround ship.
 
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Ok, guys we have to make a movie about a guy who lives in the 60s, but the producers want his car to look cooler, so here's what we'll do - paint a 2010 Mustang bronze, stick an old fashioned gas cap on it and call it a 1964 1/2 Mustang. Noone will notice, after all.
 
I find that highly unlikely.

Obviously they wanted a ship that *looked* sort of like an old variant of that ship. But to suggest that the literal, 24th century Akira was the one they wanted, is utterly ludicrous. I'm going to have to ask for more proof on that.

Word of God from Doug Drexler himself, one of the production designers on the show, confirms this as fact. I think his blog entry was the first place this was ever mentioned, actually.
 
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