Didn´t Kirk reprogram Kobayashi Maru cenario?

[InklingStar]

Re: Hasn´t Kirk reprogrammed Kobayashi Maru cenario?

If this is the case, it does not contradict TWoK. Admiral Kirk says "I reprogrammed the simulator to make it possible to rescue the ship." If I say "I built my own house" that doesn't necessarily mean I worked alone.

Besides, Kirk is still reveling in his invincibility in front of the young cadet. It would have sounded strange to tell Saavik "I had a hot chick reprogram it for me while I rocked her world." Naah.

 

[Plum]

Re: Hasn´t Kirk reprogrammed Kobayashi Maru cenario?

Bah!

 

[Opus]

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InklingStar said:
If this is the case, it does not contradict TWoK. Admiral Kirk says "I reprogrammed the simulator to make it possible to rescue the ship." If I say "I built my own house" that doesn't necessarily mean I worked alone.

Besides, Kirk is still reveling in his invincibility in front of the young cadet. It would have sounded strange to tell Saavik "I had a hot chick reprogram it for me while I rocked her world." Naah.

This explanation. There is NOTHING in anyone's dialogue in TWOK that would indicate he worked ENTIRELY ALONE.

But just in case, I'm throwing my 40+ years of Star Trek stuff and planning on getting my memory erased of all things Trek like I did with Star Wars...

 

[Akira Class]

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Arlo said:
^ well I guess that settles it. We can close the forum now.

Sarcasm is the tool of the weak minded, my friend. You've just outed yourself.

Seriously, though, if you don't have anything to add to the subject, you're better of being silent rather than spouting that sort of stuff off. At least I have an opinion and have expressed it eloquently.

 

[USS Mariner]

Re: Hasn´t Kirk reprogrammed Kobayashi Maru cenario?

Akira Class said:

Arlo said:
^ well I guess that settles it. We can close the forum now.

Sarcasm is the tool of the weak minded, my friend. You've just outed yourself.

Seriously, though, if you don't have anything to add to the subject, you're better of being silent rather than spouting that sort of stuff off. At least I have an opinion and have expressed it eloquently.

Meh.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Hasn´t Kirk reprogrammed Kobayashi Maru cenario?

Akira Class said:
Sarcasm is the tool of the weak minded, my friend.

Sarcasm is the lingua franca of the Internets, my friend.

 

[Arlo]

Re: Hasn´t Kirk reprogrammed Kobayashi Maru cenario?

Akira Class said:

Arlo said:
^ well I guess that settles it. We can close the forum now.

Sarcasm is the tool of the weak minded, my friend. You've just outed yourself.

Seriously, though, if you don't have anything to add to the subject, you're better of being silent rather than spouting that sort of stuff off. At least I have an opinion and have expressed it eloquently.

And ad hom attacks add value?

 

[Plum]

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Akira Class said:

Sarcasm is the tool of the weak minded, my friend. You've just outed yourself.

No it isn't, seriously. Funny thing to say, bugged me. Sorry.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: Hasn´t Kirk reprogrammed Kobayashi Maru cenario?

Arlo said:BS or not, I think it's a great scenario. Kirk never struck me as particularly technically inclined, so I rather believe him getting some hot IT chick to do it.

In "Court Martial," it's established that there were three people on the ship with the computer skills to reprogram the log to show the ion pod being ejected prior to Kirk calling a Red Alert.

Those three were:

1) Captain Kirk
2) Lieutenant Commander Spock
3) Lieutenant Commander Ben Finney

So... it's official that Kirk knows plenty about computers.

(Even if his greatest computer skill is talking them to death!)

 

[GodThingFormerly]

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^ Ah! Thanks for reminder. I had completely forgotten about that factoid from CM.

TGT

 

[Akira Class]

Re: Hasn´t Kirk reprogrammed Kobayashi Maru cenario?

Arlo said:

Akira Class said:

Arlo said:
^ well I guess that settles it. We can close the forum now.

Sarcasm is the tool of the weak minded, my friend. You've just outed yourself.

Seriously, though, if you don't have anything to add to the subject, you're better of being silent rather than spouting that sort of stuff off. At least I have an opinion and have expressed it eloquently.

And ad hom attacks add value?

You tell me. You're the one who has added zero value so far.

 

[ralph]

Re: Hasn´t Kirk reprogrammed Kobayashi Maru cenario?

In "Court Martial," it's established that there were three people on the ship with the computer skills to reprogram the log to show the ion pod being ejected prior to Kirk calling a Red Alert.

Those three were:

1) Captain Kirk
2) Lieutenant Commander Spock
3) Lieutenant Commander Ben Finney

So... it's official that Kirk knows plenty about computers.

(Even if his greatest computer skill is talking them to death!)

Kirk as starship captain must know about engines, weapons, navigation, but doesn´t need to be expert in computer program.

 

[Timo]

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...Meaning he had the expertise for some other reason. So it would be all the more interesting to find out why. This "reprogramming the no-win scenario" plotlet begins to sound better and better!

However, we might wish to argue that it is illogical and unlikely for Kirk to have this expertise, so any alternative explanation is preferable. And to be sure, what was said in "Court Martial" was this:

Cogley: "If what you suggest had been done, it would be beyond the capabilities of most men. Is that true?"
Spock: "Affirmative."
Cogley: "What man aboard ship would it not be beyond?"
Spock: "The Captain, myself, and the Records Officer."

It's not "technical skills" that define the can and can't here. It's "capabilities".

Perhaps only the Captain, the First Officer and the Records Officer had the keycard to the high security records room where any idiot (including the computer-illiterate Kirk) could have reprogrammed the memory banks? Now that would make perfect sense, because the Captain would be able to do many things that mere mortals, no matter how smart, would not.

When Kirk showed tech skills, he generally wasn't doing anything more impressive than following repair manuals - unless it was about basic mechanical engineering, in which case he could build working bamboo cannon or bows and arrows with surprising ease. But Kirk was never explicitly and deliberately painted as uneducated and "down to earth", in the manner the skipper in "Forbidden Planet" was. So it all can really be argued both ways from the same set of evidence.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Zycho32]

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I have to imagine a topic thoroughly limited to useful reader input and little deviation- if any- leads to a rather dull thread. Short too, since most topic opinions quickly run through the entire potential spectrum from positive to negative.

For instance, I could speak my piece about Kirk not having complete control over his manipulation of the Kobayashi Maru scenario (which would indeed be made on the fly since I have no atcual opinion as of this time) and I would most likely just be rehashing someone else's opinion. After a while, that degree of repetition gets utterly boring.

Besides, I found it kinda witty. Guess I'm weak minded too.

 

[Akira Class]

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Jason Thyrion said:
Besides, I found it kinda witty. Guess I'm weak minded too.

Truth hurts, I guess. But, at least you are willing to admit it. There may be some hope for you yet.

 

[Arlo]

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There's currently another thread discussing what "federation captain" means. I don't think we should underestimate the ability for this board to argue minutia into the ground

 

[Franklin]

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So, Kirk's commendation for original thinking reads:
"For the creative use of sex and manipulation of another person above and beyond the call of duty in fulfillment of your mission."

Don't think so.

If he did it that way, he deserves to be expelled. Also, if another person was involved, it becomes [insert dramatic music here] a cheating CONSPIRACY.
Kirk would be asked if he acted alone. If he lies to protect the woman, that's not good. If he rats her out, that's not good, either.

I'm hoping to God this rumor about the scenario is too crazy to be true.

ETA: Also, if he does it that way, hell that's something any lamebrain could do to get by on a test. How does that make Kirk a unique or creative thinker?

 

[Timo]

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..Of course, we could have the timeline all backwards. Kirk takes the test once, and passes but loses, just like everybody does. He then volunteers to take it again, and loses again, which his instructors think is good for his education. He then takes it a third time, and wins, and gets a commendation for original thinking. And then his instructors find out why he won, and nearly drum him out of the fleet...

Not that I'd believe that for a second. If the rumor is true, I suspect it will be the variant wherein Kirk gets supersecret passwords from somebody he romances, without her knowledge, and then misuses them for forging his exam. (Hell, if he romances somebody in a position of authority, he'd probably be keeping with his profile for favoring older women...)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Arlo]

Re: Hasn´t Kirk reprogrammed Kobayashi Maru cenario?

I thought the KM was meant as a test of character, not one that is win or losable, per se.

Also, where is this business about him taking it 3 times come from? I don't recall a line saying that.

 

[Opus]

Re: Hasn´t Kirk reprogrammed Kobayashi Maru cenario?

Arlo said:
I thought the KM was meant as a test of character, not one that is win or losable, per se.

Also, where is this business about him taking it 3 times come from? I don't recall a line saying that.

Spock to Kirk at the beginning of TWOK: "As I recall, you took the test 3 times yourself. Your final solution was, shall we say... unique."