She may have been aware of it, sure. But the particular Cardassian she was talking to HADN'T apologized. No, he had in fact just murdered several of her oldest friends. I think we can forgive a little hyperbole in the heat of anger.
Did you (or do you) think Kira is a violent person?
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She may have been aware of it, sure. But the particular Cardassian she was talking to HADN'T apologized. No, he had in fact just murdered several of her oldest friends. I think we can forgive a little hyperbole in the heat of anger.
That maimed Cardassian was just plain crazy, if anything he brought back full force to Kira the hell of the occupation and all her bad memories of it. No wonder she was so unrepentant towards him, though towards the end of that particular episode I think she understood a little better where he was coming from.
Kira's encounters with Marritza and Tekeny Ghemor made her realise that not all Cardassians were the soldiers who occupied her world. But I think she was at the very least still ambivalent towards the Cardassians. Plus we can't assume from just two Cardassians that Marritza and Ghemor were the norm (i.e. regretted what happened in the occupation).
I think most Cardassians (the ones who never were part in the occupation) simply shrugged it off because Bajor was simply an inferior alien world to them. Besides the Cardassians probably occupied other alien worlds with just as much brutality as they did with Bajor. So it merely reinforces my impression that Cardassians care little for outsiders, and really hated races (who they occupied) who fought back against them...
The cardassians were described as an imperialistic power, whose absolute belief in their superiority and right to rule made them more than a little racist.
They consistently were aggressive toward the federation and everyone else.
They allied themselves with the dominion to start a war against a federation who broke the treaty with the klingons just to warn the cardassians about klingon invasion (despite owing the cardassians nothing good, that is).
The treatment of bajor and bajorans is testament to their behaviour towards conquered worlds populated by inferiors.
A few cardassians were opposed to these actions and ideology?
Well, most of the elite weren't - or these actions would not have come to pass.
As for the populace - as shown by the snippets we saw from before the dominion (low-rank soldiers, civilians) and by how they cheered the dominion coming in (and all that implied), they didn't really care, as long as their bellies were full and they got to be 'superior'.
As for Kira's actions - I saw no serious historian arguing that the actions of the french resistance against the nazis were not justified.
As for the bomber nutcase from "The Darkness and the Light" - he was just about to kill her when she turned the tables on him. Clear self-defense.
They consistently were aggressive toward the federation and everyone else.
They allied themselves with the dominion to start a war against a federation who broke the treaty with the klingons just to warn the cardassians about klingon invasion (despite owing the cardassians nothing good, that is).
The treatment of bajor and bajorans is testament to their behaviour towards conquered worlds populated by inferiors.
A few cardassians were opposed to these actions and ideology?
Well, most of the elite weren't - or these actions would not have come to pass.
As for the populace - as shown by the snippets we saw from before the dominion (low-rank soldiers, civilians) and by how they cheered the dominion coming in (and all that implied), they didn't really care, as long as their bellies were full and they got to be 'superior'.
As for Kira's actions - I saw no serious historian arguing that the actions of the french resistance against the nazis were not justified.
As for the bomber nutcase from "The Darkness and the Light" - he was just about to kill her when she turned the tables on him. Clear self-defense.
I think one of the things to bear in mind is that Kira may well make a distinction between someone being a legitimate target during a war of resistance against a foreign occupation, and that particular someone being undeserving of forgiveness or being deserving of being held responsible for the occupation.
She may well think that any given Cardassian is a legitimate target if they're occupying Bajor, yet also think that low-ranking Cardassians shouldn't be held responsible for the occupation after the fact -- that they deserve whatever they get so long as they're on Bajor, but that they cease to be legitimate targets and cease to deserve retribution upon the occupation's end.
She may well think that any given Cardassian is a legitimate target if they're occupying Bajor, yet also think that low-ranking Cardassians shouldn't be held responsible for the occupation after the fact -- that they deserve whatever they get so long as they're on Bajor, but that they cease to be legitimate targets and cease to deserve retribution upon the occupation's end.
Spot on there Edit_XYZ! Chain of Command perfectly showed this (pre-Dominion occupation of Cardassia), and it explains the whole reason for Marritza being so desperate to make his race at least consider their actions on Bajor (and possibly other occupied worlds).
At the very least, though, she should've been trying to calm him down, not inflame him further. Again, she was carrying a baby--someone else's baby. Yet she chose the opportunity to vent and put herself and the baby at risk because she was spoiling for a fight.
That is not the kind of person Kira Nerys is. Whether or not she's a basically violent person is questionable, but it's pretty clear that she is most definitely not the sort of person who backs down from a confrontation and appeases her enemy, even when doing so would be the smarter move.
Besides at least several of her former resistance cell members and friends were murdered, and as Sci said Kira is not the sort of person to shy away from a confrontation. Instead she goes on instinct and fight back, and probably does some very rash and reckless things in the process.
The way I see it Kira still has this darkness inside her from the Bajoran occupation. When things are fine it can't be discerned, but when a situation becomes really bad and Kira gets hurt (emotionally so) in the process, then that darkness springs up. And when really pushed she would probably kill anyone whom she thinks is the enemy.
I would have to say at first, Kira was a violent woman then she became more milder during her life. Kira was raised as a child to fight and work to free her people. It takes time to have someone going from fighting a war all the time to be peaceful. And also still be in the military. I think it is more of a problem from anyone fighitng in a war and then stay in the military during a time of peace, then it is to leave the service and be a civilian.
I think she was a violent person,she simply did what she had to do free the bajorans from cardie rule.When the fighting,she couldn't seem to stop,but mellowed with age or experiences with Starfleet.
Kira, I so agree that she can and some times she can be a very violent woman. Still, I do not think she was just violent just to be violent. There had to be a practical and rational reason with her values that supported being violent.
Anyway, Kira is so cute when she is mad.
Ezri looks at Kira and
I just rewatched the first season episode Duet (aka the episode where a filing clerk named Marritza pretends he is Gul Darhe'el "the Butcher of Gallitep"). The following dialogues are in that episode:
If she said in the episode The Darkness and Light, that any Cardassian on Bajor during the occupation was guilty (even civilians), then she is contracting the conclusion that she came to at the end of Duet. Unless she thinks that repentant Cardassians have had their guilt washed away and/or are forgivable (they aren't the same thing). Earlier in the episode (before she found out that Marritza wasn't Gul Darhe'el) when she talked about killing civilians, she said, “Look I regret a lot of what I did… we had no choice, we were fighting for survival.” Perhaps she just goes back and forth about how she feels about civilians who were on Cardassia during the Occupation and about how she felt about her killing them.
This is a very good point. When she started out, it was always black and white, good vs evil. The more you look at a problem, there is more then a simple answer to the problem or a problem you want it to be. The more she was DS9, the deeper she understood more complex issues that face the federation.
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