Did they kill “baby Spock” with the katra in Search?

[bolak]

Well maybe 'James Bond' is just a designator and 007 is the specific license issued to the designated JB at that instant. After all the only people in MI6 that would need to know his real identity would be in the personnel section.

I heard in good authority that one 'James Bond' was actually called Rodger Moore, but don't tell anyone. 50 Year Rule still applies.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Spock recognized Kirk in the ice caves but to us he looks nothing like the Shat!

There aren't a hell of a lot of actors who DO look like Shatner.

And since Kirk was obviously going to be recast anyway, I don't really see the problem here.

 

[johnnybear]

I always thought that Warren Berlinger who was Sgt.Betchler in Happy Days episode The Physical looked a lot like a fatter Shatner! but nowadays they could look more closer to being related! Not sure if that episode is on YouTube or not for you to see?
JB

 

[Tuskin38]

There aren't a hell of a lot of actors who DO look like Shatner.

And since Kirk was obviously going to be recast anyway, I don't really see the problem here.

It's Johnnybear, just move on.

 

[valkyrie013]

Well, to me, in ST2 , spock is busy sacrifcing himself After he downloaded a Copy of his "Soul" into the substandard recepticale of McCoy, so once you download, you don't cese being yourself. So to me Spock 2.0 is Spock, his memorys are in there, but the genisis wave futzed him up to where he needed a reboot from a secure store

 

[Search4]

From my view, they killed the Genesis - Spock by overwriting. He presumably would have developed as a person over time. (He certainly had a hell of a sex drive).

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I always thought that Warren Berlinger who was Sgt.Betchler in Happy Days episode The Physical looked a lot like a fatter Shatner! but nowadays they could look more closer to being related! Not sure if that episode is on YouTube or not for you to see?

Warren Berlinger was born in 1937. He's only six years younger than Shatner. Hardly the guy you'd cast as a young Kirk.

 

[cooleddie74]

Shatner is now older in real life than Admiral Mark Jameson was in TNG, and he was only 85 years old if memory serves. Yes, I know his makeup in "Too Short A Season" made him look like he was even older than Admiral McCoy, but let's face it: early TNG episodes could be dung mixed in a blender with self-loathing.

How some of that makeup passed muster even in 1987 and 1988 still makes one shrug and chuckle.

 

[Longinus]

From my view, they killed the Genesis - Spock by overwriting. He presumably would have developed as a person over time. (He certainly had a hell of a sex drive).

So if you suffer from amnesia, does curing that amnesia kill the amnesiac you?

Also, there is no indication that Spock forgot his Genesis experience, he just gained his old memories back on top of that.

 

[cooleddie74]

Basically he just regenerated back into a small child with buried adult memories of his previous life. Then that child rapidly matured back into the recognizable adult version of Spock and started to retrieve his pre-Battle of the Mutara Nebula memories after his katra was restored to his body.

Although as evidenced by his still-flaky behavior in Star Trek V and McCoy's frustrated remark about liking him better "before he died" Spock was never again the person he was before his original death and there were noticeable differences in his personality that could be detected for many years afterwards. Spock Prime clearly remembers the events of TWOK when he tells his Kelvin Timeline self about Khan so he eventually got most if not all of his memories back, but experienced some kind of personality change that forever afterwards altered how he interacted with his friends and shipmates.

 

[johnnybear]

Warren Berlinger was born in 1937. He's only six years younger than Shatner. Hardly the guy you'd cast as a young Kirk.

That's not what I meant! Someone said they don't know of anyone who looks like Shatner and I just mentioned this guy as I always thought he did look like him!
JB

 

[Smellmet]

Basically he just regenerated back into a small child with buried adult memories of his previous life.

You're correct of course but this brings up more questions - did he start off as a baby? If he did how did he eat? Surely he would have starved to death? If he didn't regenerate as a baby, then why a child? What decided the age of child he regenerated to?

It's something that's always bothered me about the film. It would have been much better if he just regenerated back to Spock pre-death, and ditched all the Katra nonsense.

 

[cooleddie74]

Vulcans by nature are vegetarians so I suppose young Spock subsisted off edible plant life growing in the region and that was enough to sustain him until Saavik and David arrived. There also seemed to be plenty of primitive animal life forms thriving on the surface so if he didn't revert to his previous vegetarianism he could have consumed some of those creatures.

 

[Timo]

Of course, the sheer physical growth of young Spock on Genesis afterwards would be impossible even if he gorged himself with a hundred times more food than his stomach could possibly accommodate. So him surviving an early childhood that involved inability to move, heavy snowfall and lack of obvious food sources is just another shade of that impossibility.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Smellmet]

But why did the genesis wave stop at 'regenerating' him as far back as just a child - why did it stop there?

 

[Timo]

We have no real reason to think it did. After all, Spock ages in jumps. And Spock has been on the planet for some time before Saavik and Marcus arrive. There may have been plenty of jumps we missed, all the way from the most primitive embryonic stage up.

A process of Spock "growing up" is most unlikely, simply because human and presumably Vulcan biology is incompatible with rapid growing up. Some sort of "time travel" tomfoolery is allowable, with Genesis moving Spock forward along a timeline of some sort. Or then it's magic of altogether different sort. But it's highly unlikely to feature any of the characteristics of natural growing up, such as eating, defecating, gaining body mass, or gaining experiences. The extra body mass just suddenly is there.

...So, are the experiences, too?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Smellmet]

It's just an all round problematic plot device, and it drags the movie down in my opinion. If it was a bit more straightforward I'd rank TSFS much higher up in my rankings.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Perhaps the experience of growing up so fast again seemed to him like a dream after he was re-integrated. Somebody should do a book set after his re-birth where

Spoiler: Book idea

Spock temporarily goes back and forth between regen Spock and katra Spock's personalities due to the effects of some anomaly/disease, etc (temporary multiple personality manifestation)

 

[cooleddie74]

But why did the genesis wave stop at 'regenerating' him as far back as just a child - why did it stop there?

Plot convenience?

 

[Smellmet]

Plot convenience?

Clearly.