Did the Kelvin movies sometimes lean too close to parody?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by INACTIVERedDwarf, May 9, 2018.

  1. fireproof78

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    He failed again.
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

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    Except there was. Kirk and Spock bitched at each other constantly the way loads of BFF's do, both IRL and in TV/film. And Spock didn't realise what he had until he lost it.
     
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  3. Nyotarules

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    Nah, I did not buy it.....it came out of left field. The original scene in TWOK worked cos there were decades of shared history between the characters. These two met just 1 year before and disliked each other. They wanted to show a grieving BFF it should have been McCoy bawling like a banshee, not Spock. Using Kelvin Spock was a major stretch of the relationship.
     
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    It wasn't losing a BFF of 15 years. It was losing someone you just realised was there for you for the past year, always trying to help, even going so far as to break Prime Directive to make sure you came home safe.

    I'd say Wrath of Khan worked just fine for newcomers who'd never watched a single TOS episode before. You didn't have to have seen all of TOS for the death scene to work.
     
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    Not parody but more like someone writing it who wants to exaggerate the character tropes and the shows tropes. Then put them in a modern day blender and see how they would look today if "TOS" was a show conceived in the modern day instead of being conceived back in the 60's. Of course Uhura would be more important in 2009 than she was in the 60's and everyone would basically be younger like KIrk and Spock. The ship would have modern day graphics and a faster pacing. The movies did a better of transforming the 60's era "Trek" to a modern audience than "Discovery" has by being modern but also still with many of the familiar trappings of the 60's show along with it's spirit of fun.

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  6. Nyotarules

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    Kirk would have done the same if it was Scotty or Keenser in that volcano. He did not save Spock because it was Spock.
     
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    Yes, but would Spock have done it if the positions were reversed in the volcano? It was only at the end that he realised that some things mean more than following rules.
     
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    Slapstick has no place in Trek. Star Trek must be solemn and serious, like going to a museum, a classical music performance, or an old-world church service.

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    Blame Mr, Scott iand Mrn ST2009 <--- That's when he found out from old/original Spock the final piece needed to make 'Trans -Warp Beaming" a thing (Remember Sock told him his theory working in the 24th century) in the JJ Verse 23rd century - they used it to get onto the 1701 from Delta Vega.

    And also recall in TOS the 1701 covered 997 Light years in under TWO DAYS (see TOS - "That Which Survives"). Hell, if ST:VOY used that speed they'd have been home in 3 months.
     
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    The NX-01 made it from Earth to Kronos in four days. :shrug:

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  12. Nyotarules

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    Speed by plot or Voyager was a crap ship...
     
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    Rather than "an unloving reference to the public's 'idea' of Kirk," I saw these as illustrations that this alternate-reality version of Kirk — though in many fundamental ways the same person as the Kirk with whom we're familiar — had had a significantly different upbringing and early life than that Kirk, and also that we're seeing this Kirk at a substantially earlier age and at an earlier point in his career.

    The Kirk of the original series and the first six movies almost certainly hadn't always been the person we saw depicted as captain of the Enterprise from 1966-69. However, we were never given any but the vaguest glimpses of who he'd been/what he'd been like along the way to that time and position — usually very sketchy pictures via the recollections of other characters or of Kirk himself.

    That Kirk we saw at the beginning of the series already experienced, grown, matured, while the Kirk of these movies (esp. of 2009 and STID) is still in the process of getting there — he's not going to look or behave exactly the same, and many of his life experiences along the way will have been different.

    And if some of the situations you named were presented with an element of humor, rather than with complete seriousness, or exaggerated for effect rather than played completely straight, it's still not to be automatically assumed that the intent is to satirize the character of Kirk or any qualities which may be — either accurately or inaccurately — associated with that character. Use of humor and of exaggeration are both perfectly legitimate dramatic devices, and from the very beginning Star Trek has frequently made use of both without anything being satirized.

    Might there have been satirical intent, however subtle, in the writing of any of these scenes or of other scenes? I can't categorically rule it out, but it's not an impression I've ever had in watching these movies.

    As for parody: no, I honestly haven't seen anything in these movies which suggests it in any way.
     
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    No, it was splendidly done, in doing exactly what it was intended to do: be silly and hilarious. Pine is, in fact, funny as hell in the scene. I think by "badly done," what you mean is, "I didn't personally appreciate the very skillfully executed ridiculousness," which is not the same thing.
     
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    I loved the swollen hands/numbtongue scene. And Scotty in the pipes.

    It's daft shit that's entirely plausible in Trek's universe, but the series' have spent so long up their own backsides that everyone forgets.
     
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    ^^This times a hundred. I think a lot of ppl completely missed the point of what JJ was trying to accomplish by portraying Kirk the way he did. One of the cut scenes is of his abusive step father and then he takes pains to show how both Kirk and Spock start out very young as rebels, as a result of the time line differences. You can NOT compare Kelvin Kirk to TOS Kirk except in a manner as this Kirk came from that kind of background and this one came from one completely different and how does that change him. With Kelvin Kirk's background, the way he acted in ST09 was completely believable and its one of the reasons I love STID because it shows the repercussions of Kirk being promoted too early. So no, I don't see parody anywhere.
     
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    Exactly. If you look at TOS, and the TOS movies, this really isn't out of line.
     
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    Nah, they just aren't ashamed of their origins and high on their own pretentiousness. What's painful is how backwards and outdated the non-MCU Marvel movies are. Too high on their sense of self-importance.
     
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    The Kelvin timeline Star Trek movies lean too close to epic awesomeness - nay: they are epic awesomeness!

    And long may this timeline continue, as there’s much about it I still wish to discover!

    Parody? Nay, I say!
     
  20. Syd Shanshala

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    They should have a scene where kirks in the neck of the 1701 and turns to say something, and his shoulders get wedged between the walls. THAT would be parody
     
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