Did the Jack Pack commit any crimes?

[JirinPanthosa]

I mean of course, before they tried to give classified intelligence to the Dominion. This is a problem I've always had with this storyline. Before they were locked up, did they commit any crimes or otherwise prove they were a threat to themselves or others, or were they incarcerated for life without charges because they were genetically enhanced and seemed odd?

It always struck me as very un-Star Trek to take away the rights of individuals because their parents committed crimes. But in the modern day you can't hold an insane person against their will unless they prove they are a threat to themselves or others. Did Jack and the others prove this or were they just deemed 'Odd'?

And why did this storyline never seriously challenge the idea of taking away personal freedoms to those who were genetically enhanced? Did they worry it'd be too close to Psi Corps? All they give us is dropping the Eugenics Wars like Congressmen drop 9/11 and give Bashir special treatment just because he's a main character.

They created this storyline of genetic augments being treated like second class citizens but never addressed the implications. I think this is by far the worst DS9 storyline.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

All of them were mentally disabled and unable to function within society.
They were not locked away as a punishment. They were living in a facility taking care of them.
They were incapable of understanding the consequences of their actions.
They were highly intelligent,true, but could not take of themselves longterm which is a dicey combination if you ask me.
Only Selena was able to function outside of this group when she snapped out of being catatonic.

 

[MacLeod]

Yep, it was were more a case of them being under medical care.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Part of it was due to them being too smart and being able to do a lot pf damage, especially in sophisticated, highly technological environments without much effort. There is the fact that they can't be trusted, in not using their advantage, because they have no moral restraints and don't listen to orders or threats of any kind, they only do what they think is right, without regard to what other people think, (e.g. when they tried to betray the federation because they thought that the war would be lost, no matter what people would do to prevent it.)

It would be like a person with an H-bomb inside that can't be trusted in not making it go off. The only way you can let that person live and feel safe at the same time, is by restraining their limbs forever, regardless of your right to do so. It's what legally is referred to as duress, when your only way to survive is to cause harm to someone else. A complex version of self-defense if you will.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

By that logic anybody who is diagnosed a sociopath should immediately be locked up. Or anybody who is diagnosed with any behavioral disorder that could possibly be dangerous.

It's incredibly immoral to lock people up based on speculative crimes they may commit.

There are plenty of sociopaths out there who are manipulating their way through life but while never doing anything illegal or physically harmful, or people who are severely autistic as children and grow up to be functioning. Locking people up then confirming when they act out that they need to be locked up is a self fulfilling prophecy. Incarcerating people for life because it is possible they might do harm to others is morally outrageous. It's basically the pre-20th century approach to mental health, just toss 'em in a padded room.

At the very least, there should be a plan in place to adapt their behavior and gradually transition to as much independence as possible, just like you would for a child with a developmental disability.

Jack is the only one of the three who we've even seen act out violently.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

By that logic anybody who is diagnosed a sociopath should immediately be locked up. Or anybody who is diagnosed with any behavioral disorder that could possibly be dangerous.

It's incredibly immoral to lock people up based on speculative crimes they may commit.

But that's the thing: The Jack Pack were NOT being "locked up". They were receiving treatment and rehabilitation.

There are plenty of sociopaths out there who are manipulating their way through life but while never doing anything illegal or physically harmful

There's never been anyone quite as dangerous as the Jack Pack, though. Left to their own devices, they could wreak unimaginable havoc.

 

[Tosk]

Jack may have been the only one under forced psychiatric care. He is violent and anti-social. He pulled broken "glass" across a woman's hand and threatened to snap Sarina's neck.

Patrick and Sarina were likely under care at The Institute simply because they weren't able to care for themselves. When Sarina was "cured" she was free to come and go as she pleased.

Hard to say about Lauren. Maybe she's not just overtly sexual, but a certified sexual predator?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I doubt they went on a murder spree, because they wouldn't be let on DS9, but I'd imagine they were serial offenders and committed many nuisance crimes. For funz.