Did Starfleet change after the Dominion war

[Arpy]

Nah, before the Dominion War the Cardassians weren't really all that powerful. In The Wounded, the Enterprise owns a Galor with only a few shots, and that's after the Enterprise was attacked without their shields up. And then a Nebula class ship tore ass through Cardassian space, even after the Cardassians obtained the ship's prefix code. Launching an invasion of the Federation before the War would not have worked out for the Cardassians at all.

The pertinent part of the quote was the part omitted:

Actually it’s a TV show, so the Cardassians could have easily invaded the Federation.

The Cardies warred last time around and the admirals said not to go there again now. It’s a TV show. In the next episode, we could have seen a Cahak Class Cardassians battleship blow up a Nebula and a whole new chapter in Trek begin.

 

[LJones41]

I don't know if Starfleet had changed after the Dominion War. Voyager was still stuck in the Delta Quadrant at the time. And aside from "Star Trek: Nemesis", there hasn't been any TV show or movie about the post-Dominion War era.

 

[Jayson1]

My theory is "Star Wars" is the "Star Trek" future. At some point Picard will meet some of the first Jedi and we will find out Section 31 takes over the Federation which leads to the creating of the Empire at some point!


Jason

 

[Tenacity]

Section 31

turns out that S31 are the jedi.

 

[Gabriel]

My first thought upon seeing the three title was, “No, but the fabase has. We’re living in a self-destructive world so we want to destroy our heroes instead of admitting we’re failing them.”



Actually it’s a TV show, so the Cardassians could have easily invaded the Federation.

The Klingons nearly did win the war with the Federation in TNG’s “Yesterday’s Enterprise.”

Just because the TV show does not mean they could’ve easily have invaded the Federation. Considering the fact that the enterprise dealt with the Cardassians ship during the wounded very easy. But then he will probably say well not every ship in the fleet is like the galaxy class. That is true but the Federation has shown that is engineers are some of the best in the universe and could probably upgrade the fleet pretty well. And thanks to the wormhole for pointing out that the Cardassians will not be able to invade the Federation as well. Nice to get to different voices on this.
Yes but that was an alternate timeline and it was mentioned and 2370s by both worf and kurn that if the Klingons were to attack the Federation the Federation would win. Guess you could say that the Federation will win but I guess you could say that at that time the federation would win because the Klingons would be fighting on two fronts the Cardassians and the federation.

 

[Arpy]

Just because the TV show does not mean they could’ve easily have invaded the Federation. Considering the fact that the enterprise dealt with the Cardassians ship during the wounded very easy. But then he will probably say well not every ship in the fleet is like the galaxy class. That is true but the Federation has shown that is engineers are some of the best in the universe and could probably upgrade the fleet pretty well. And thanks to the wormhole for pointing out that the Cardassians will not be able to invade the Federation as well. Nice to get to different voices on this.
Yes but that was an alternate timeline and it was mentioned and 2370s by both worf and kurn that if the Klingons were to attack the Federation the Federation would win. Guess you could say that the Federation will win but I guess you could say that at that time the federation would win because the Klingons would be fighting on two fronts the Cardassians and the federation.

Regarding Worf and Kurn’s conversation 1) that was after decades of change in the Klingon Empire by TNG’s time. Earlier on it appears they may have won. 2) that was also years before they decided to make the Klingons baddies again. Suddenly declining Qo’noS is in springtime again.

Regarding the broader point, it’s still a TV show. ANYTHING you want can happen. There are no Starfleet engineers unless written. There are no forces of history, no triumphs of this or failures of that, that you don’t want to write and show. If you do good enough a job, any story and any scenario is beloved and taken as gospel.

The canon isn’t coherent. One show could easily be a parallel universe from another show, different seasons or episodes of the same show the same. How much did the Klingons change from TOS to DS9? To Hell with continuity, realism, or internal logic. We play at this stuff on these boards for our entertainment, but ANYTHING can go.

 

[Gabriel]

Regarding Worf and Kurn’s conversation 1) that was after decades of change in the Klingon Empire by TNG’s time. Earlier on it appears they may have won. 2) that was also years before they decided to make the Klingons baddies again. Suddenly declining Qo’noS is in springtime again.

Regarding the broader point, it’s still a TV show. ANYTHING you want can happen. There are no Starfleet engineers unless written. There are no forces of history, no triumphs of this or failures of that, that you don’t want to write and show. If you do good enough a job, any story and any scenario is beloved and taken as gospel.

The canon isn’t coherent. One show could easily be a parallel universe from another show, different seasons or episodes of the same show the same. How much did the Klingons change from TOS to DS9? To Hell with continuity, realism, or internal logic. We play at this stuff on these boards for our entertainment, but ANYTHING can go.

Except you can’t really prove your last paragraph. And by the way we all know that a tv show can vary alot we were just saying that what is shown on screen the Cardassians are not an even match for the federation. And by the way for some of us the canon is just fine it’s just a couple episodes that stick out. So why don’t we just agree to disagree.

 

[Arpy]

Except you can’t really prove your last paragraph. And by the way we all know that a tv show can vary alot we were just saying that what is shown on screen the Cardassians are not an even match for the federation. And by the way for some of us the canon is just fine it’s just a couple episodes that stick out. So why don’t we just agree to disagree.

I don’t mean that they are parallel universes (although they could be) but that artistically they’re different enough that they might as well be. TOS is very different from VOY. Early TNG is very different from later TNG. The history of the 22nd century was very different before ENT than after. They might as well be parallel universes. Is doesn’t change how much we enjoy them, nor a certain expectation of continuity for coherence’s sake, but I’d almost rather they be parallel universes than having to fit very different histories and styles into the same universe that don’t honestly fit. It would allow the variety without the unrealistic, insulting, and self-destructive cartwheels to make everything fit.

 

[Gabriel]

I don’t mean that they are parallel universes (although they could be) but that artistically they’re different enough that they might as well be. TOS is very different from VOY. Early TNG is very different from later TNG. The history of the 22nd century was very different before ENT than after. They might as well be parallel universes. Is doesn’t change how much we enjoy them, nor a certain expectation of continuity for coherence’s sake, but I’d almost rather they be parallel universes than having to fit very different histories and styles into the same universe that don’t honestly fit. It would allow the variety without the unrealistic, insulting, and self-destructive cartwheels to make everything fit.

Well I don’t know part of me thinks that they do fit and the reason why they all look so different it’s because time has changed so new technology is comming in. And the other part thinks that they don’t fit. Although honestly I personally think that ENT wrote the history the 22nd Century a lot better than the book did. One because we could see it on screen or lease a part of it. Into the shift for better end it seem to make more sense. Because in the book that is now not a cannon and irrelevant well according to the ENT use words like earth command and other stuff. And yes while ENT looks kind a futuristic to be a prequel at least unlike discovery they have to use more buttons and hand levers than touch screens. Although I will admit I do not like that in the books many of the NX class ships get destroyed. But then again I may be biased because I like ENT because season three season and four they include the MACOS I find that very interesting plot device. I don’t know I feel like adding the makers was kind like adding their own version of Marines.
I thought I will admit it does take me a some Time to make everything work and sometimes I don’t figure it out. Well at least for me most the time it does end up working out. And another thing do you believe that the Klingons to take on the federation in the 2370s. I mean 2300-2360s yeah, but whenever Deep Space 9 is augmented with Federation technology or what ever that was, they are just able to ripe through those klingon ships. Although I will say this I do get tired with everything something doesn’t match up but I just ignore it or else I would’ve watch any shows because it would bug me too much. Because it does get annoying when annoying whenever the other shows just kick off characters and just pretend they were never there like Family Matters did back the 80s- 90s. sorry for being long-winded.