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Did Star Wars really start as episode 4?

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So this came across my Facebook social media feed as a reel

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/tFytPHfk2h5mjkeH/?mibextid=oFDknk

Where Mark Hamill explains that George Lucas had set it up to mimic the Flash Gordon reels.

I was 4 when A New Hope first came out, and actually missed it the first time (I saw Empire first and then caught a re release of Star Wars later)

So did it really say Episode 4 on the original crawl? (Before all the revisions).

Now, I know Flash Gordon was a huge influence, but I am not old enough to remember if this piece was there from the beginning.

Also, I assume that Flash Gordon also influenced the prequel titles??

P.s. curious if we talked about this before in this forum
 
The "Episode IV" tag first appeared with a 1979 re-release. I remember my 12-year-old self reading mention of it in a newspaper article announcing the theatrical re-release.

so, Lucas has been revising the movie since almost the beginning.
I think one of the big things from Lucas is the ongoing struggle of feeling like his films are not enough, so he tweaks them to try and find that perfection.
 
This is true.

For all I know it really was 1979 and Wikipedia is just gaslighting us.
And now that I blow some more dust off of some more memory cells, I think what I remember reading about was "Episode V" being part of the scroll to The Empire Strikes Back without explanation, which confused the masses at the time.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if George did have Episode 4 in mind, but didn't include it at first because it was unknown if the series would be popular enough.

We know he thought out some of the events that could have happened before ANH, though what he did and didn't actually have fleshed out is hard to say because he can be contradictory at times.

Vader being burned by lava IIRC was something he'd been saying for decades before Episode 3 came out.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if George did have Episode 4 in mind, but didn't include it at first because it was unknown if the series would be popular enough.

Story I heard was he did indeed want Episode IV on initial release, but was vetoed by the Fox Execs. He was able to ignore that in Empire.
 
So, Lucas has been revising the movie since almost the beginning.
No "almost" about it. I remember Mark Hamill relating the anecdote of having lunch with GL at a burger place on Hollywood Boulevard, marvelling at the lines around the block from the Chinese theatre, and before leaving Lucas saying something to the effect of "are you OK to come in tomorrow to do some ADR?" and Mark rather nonplussed gesturing towards the aforementioned lines of people and saying something like "Uh George, the movie is out already!" He was making changes between printings of the initial release. One of the many reasons why attempts to "preserve the original version" is a fool's errand, because there ain't no such animal.

Incidentally, this has nothing to do with Star Wars specifically, and everything to do with just how Lucas is. So far as he's concerned, an artist has every right to go back in to update and revise their own work as much and as often as they like . . . and he has a point. Whether people like the changes or not is neither here nor there.
Indeed I think I remember reading somewhere that while back in Tunisia for either Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones, he was seen to be getting pick-up shots for an episode of 'The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles'. The fact that the show had been cancelled about 5 years prior didn't matter to him in the slightest.
 
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Lucas has indeed claimed that as the film's director he has every right to go back in to update and revise their own work... in his recent years.

Yet before the Special Editions, back in 1988, Lucas also said things very much to the contrary, like this below, to the US Congress, on the subject of altering films...

“American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.”

“The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests.”

“It will soon be possible to create a new ‘original’ negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires.”

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.”

“People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians.”

“Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.”


^ An article with the full speech by George Lucas, at Force Material: ‘George Lucas explains why you shouldn’t digitally alter films


Also...

An abridged screenshot from JW Rinzler’s ‘The Making Of Episode III’ book; a quoted conversation between Frank Oz and George Lucas…

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^ At the time of above conversation George Lucas had already made changes to directors Irvin Kershner’s ‘Empire Strikes Back’, and Richard Marquand’s ‘Return Of The Jedi’ - and would also make go on to make further additional changes to both their films.

Neither the Empire Strikes Back or Return Of The Jedi are available as their respective directors intended, or indeed made, on a modern and quality digital format.


Now, if George wants to forever tinker with his own film (yet not fixing the mistakes he has introduced into the films by doing so), then cool... he should go right ahead. Although he really should be making all the different cuts he had released to the public over the years... available in the best quality possible on a modern digital format.

And George should really also stop with the lies and various disingenuous statements to the public (even at Cannes last week). about the availability of the original cuts, the cost, the quality, processes involved, and sources available to Lucasfilm, for an official preservation release.

After all, if fans can come with something beautiful as 4K77/4K80/4K83 and Harmy's Despecialized etc (to name but a few), based on 35mm prints... then surely Lucasfilm should be able to come up with something significantly better based on the superior sources and resources they have available to them?

In fact, all of the previous and differing cuts of all the PT and OT films could easily be released under the 'Vintage Collection' on Disney+ (along with other 'non-canon' material) - or packaged as 'Essential Legends' (like other non-canon material is repackaged and re-sold) in a deluxe archival box set or something similar... and it would not affect the latest 2019 'Maclunkey' Special Editions being the 'official' version.
 
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In fact, all of the previous and differing cuts of all the PT and OT films could easily be released under the 'Vintage Collection' on Disney+ (along with other 'non-canon' material) - or packaged as 'Essential Legends' (like other non-canon material is repackaged and re-sold) in a deluxe archival box set or something similar... and it would not affect the latest 2019 'Maclunkey' Special Editions being the 'official' version.
Well, it would be interesting to see if any money would be made from it?
 
Aye. It'd likely add some subscriptions to Disney+ (especially for older fans still wanting such a release, and to experience them with their families etc .-Even the 1997 SEs would be appealing to fans whose first experience was seeing them on the big screen back in '97 - and may no longer have their old VHS/laserdiscs etc) .

If packaged as physical media as something like a '50th anniversary box set' for 2027, it would likely sell very well.
 
In fact, all of the previous and differing cuts of all the PT and OT films could easily be released under the 'Vintage Collection' on Disney+ (along with other 'non-canon' material) - or packaged as 'Essential Legends' (like other non-canon material is repackaged and re-sold) in a deluxe archival box set or something similar... and it would not affect the latest 2019 'Maclunkey' Special Editions being the 'official' version.

It's amusing to think about how expansive such a set would have to be to include everything. It'd make the five-disc Blade Runner set look like nothing. Even before the home video era, there were things like the mono and stereo versions of Star Wars using different performances of Aunt Beru's lines, or an extra shot added in to the end of ESB shortly after release to clarify the spatial relationship between where the Falcon was docked on the Medical Frigate and the window Luke and Leia were looking out from.
 
One of the many reasons why attempts to "preserve the original version" is a fool's errand, because there ain't no such animal.

Just because Lucas has always been tweaking it doesn't mean all tweaks are equal. When people want to preserve the "original" what they really mean is the movie as it was originally projected on film in '77, or one of the versions thereof. For me, the dividing line is pre-and post-CGI. The official versions of the OT that exist now literally could not have been made in the '70s and '80 because they include alterations using (very obvious) VFX technology that didn't exist back then. That crosses a line, man. Lucas can have his Episode IV if he wants, but the CGI has to go.
 
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