Did Janeway kill Tuvix? I dunno. Maybe.
Did Janeway Kill Tuvix?
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I think Tuvix took out Janeway and Chacotay in Resolutions (the very next episode) but unfortunately the "trap" that removed them from power, without actually killing his very close friends, took a week too long to tick over and set.
If while he was still a person, Tuvix had access to a Vidiian database, he would have been more than aware that this insect was in their flight path, or he changed Voyagers trajectory, so that the tip of the command crew would certainly be put in peril by a little nip.
Hell, Tuvix could have fabricated the venom, injected the Captain and her XO with a timed release system, so that they would seem to have been bit when he had a perfect alibi, not as perfect as not existing anymore, but something believable could have been thunk up.
Tuvix then might have mind melded himself to forget, so he wouldn't have to live with the guilt of being a complete asshole, which would also explain why Tuvok was in the dark later, but frankly it was either him or them... But because of poor timing, it turned out to be him and them.
If while he was still a person, Tuvix had access to a Vidiian database, he would have been more than aware that this insect was in their flight path, or he changed Voyagers trajectory, so that the tip of the command crew would certainly be put in peril by a little nip.
Hell, Tuvix could have fabricated the venom, injected the Captain and her XO with a timed release system, so that they would seem to have been bit when he had a perfect alibi, not as perfect as not existing anymore, but something believable could have been thunk up.
Tuvix then might have mind melded himself to forget, so he wouldn't have to live with the guilt of being a complete asshole, which would also explain why Tuvok was in the dark later, but frankly it was either him or them... But because of poor timing, it turned out to be him and them.
Wow...
You think it may have all been a set up, and he was just trying to buy time? Janeway pulled the plug on Tuvix just a few days too early. His plan still came to fruition, but it was too late for him.
I have to say, it must take an incredibly devious mind to come up with these awesome theories. Do you think Tuvok and Neelix had Tuvix' memories? They didn't seem to. Maybe from their perspective, the whole thing felt like a weird dream.
The lack of shock when they were separated, seemed to suggest that they were both fully briefed on their own life.
I was being silly. Sorry.
What really happened: Tuvix melded his Katra into a lower decks no-one, who Janeway doesn't care about.
Of course, maybe they co-operated as a triplicated person in one skull, or Tuvix might have subdued the native, and dominated their will and existence to assure that their personality was not corrupted.
Note, later, in Warlord, when Tuvok was trying to separate the gestalt of Kes and Tieran, how he wasn't really all that good slicing off and mentally excreting an unwanted psyche.
I was being silly. Sorry.
What really happened: Tuvix melded his Katra into a lower decks no-one, who Janeway doesn't care about.
Of course, maybe they co-operated as a triplicated person in one skull, or Tuvix might have subdued the native, and dominated their will and existence to assure that their personality was not corrupted.
Note, later, in Warlord, when Tuvok was trying to separate the gestalt of Kes and Tieran, how he wasn't really all that good slicing off and mentally excreting an unwanted psyche.
Could they have just duplicated Tuvix like they did to Riker in "Second Chances" and then separated one of the duplicates? And then Neelix dies in a horribile accident for some unexplained reason.
If they could do that, then the Federation wouldn't have been outmanned by the Dominions Clone Army... Although it had only been 4 weeks since deadlock so it's arguable that it would only take them four weeks to go back and use the spatial scission to create a second Tuvix... A 6th of how long then spent back tracking to go back and get Janeway and Chakotay in resolutions next week.
By that thinking, everyone in the crew was a half person, with half the rights of a full person., which half plus half Tuvok was unlike the rest of them... Which isn't exactly how the episode was explained, so never mind.
By that thinking, everyone in the crew was a half person, with half the rights of a full person., which half plus half Tuvok was unlike the rest of them... Which isn't exactly how the episode was explained, so never mind.
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I was wondering about if Tuvix stayed.
Ignoring logic in Workforce, made Tuvok sick which helped identify the problems with reality.
The personality of Teero (From Repression) that hypnotriggered Tuvok on a murderous rampage... Shouldn't maybe Neelix was been "activated" as well? Or would Tuvix have just walked that #### off?
Ignoring logic in Workforce, made Tuvok sick which helped identify the problems with reality.
The personality of Teero (From Repression) that hypnotriggered Tuvok on a murderous rampage... Shouldn't maybe Neelix was been "activated" as well? Or would Tuvix have just walked that #### off?
Well, with Tuvix and Neelix separate Janeway could cope. But combined in one person?
Tuvok: Superior intellect, but dispassionate. And even if he thought she were wrong he wouldn't be uniting the crew against her, first because he would have a 'the Captain always has the last word'- attitude, secondly because he would lack the charisma to rally the crew. The first officer Chakotay is too sedate(d) to do any of that, either.
Neelix: socially ebullient, has a certain amount of 'streets'charisma even though he can be very annoying, too, but not really a crewmember and not really up to the intellectual level and intra-Starfleet knowhow that Janeway and Tuvok posess. Usually worships the ground Janeway walks on but isn't afraid to voice his opinion and oppose her if he really, really doesn't agree with her actions. Also can rally others.
Now combine these two in Tuvix, and you have someone who could have both the character and the skills to actually pose a threat to Janeway's power monopoly at some point in the future. Conclusion: the semi-vulcan hedgehog had to "disappear"
(how's that for a conspiracy-type theory? )
Tuvok: Superior intellect, but dispassionate. And even if he thought she were wrong he wouldn't be uniting the crew against her, first because he would have a 'the Captain always has the last word'- attitude, secondly because he would lack the charisma to rally the crew. The first officer Chakotay is too sedate(d) to do any of that, either.
Neelix: socially ebullient, has a certain amount of 'streets'charisma even though he can be very annoying, too, but not really a crewmember and not really up to the intellectual level and intra-Starfleet knowhow that Janeway and Tuvok posess. Usually worships the ground Janeway walks on but isn't afraid to voice his opinion and oppose her if he really, really doesn't agree with her actions. Also can rally others.
Now combine these two in Tuvix, and you have someone who could have both the character and the skills to actually pose a threat to Janeway's power monopoly at some point in the future. Conclusion: the semi-vulcan hedgehog had to "disappear"
(how's that for a conspiracy-type theory? )
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Only the Tuvok part of Tuvix would have been affected in Repression, but instead of mind melding all the Marquis (this being a later season example of existing Federation/Marquis division), Tuvix would have tried to overcome his targets by giving them food poisoning.
Now combine these two in Tuvix, and you have someone who could have both the character and the skills to actually pose a threat to Janeway's power monopoly at some point in the future. Conclusion: the semi-vulcan hedgehog had to "disappear"
(how's that for a conspiracy-type theory? )
Janeway.. (Let's test that theory) Hands up who wants to save Tuvix and kiss goodbye ever seeing Tuvok and Neelix again??
Crickets...
I don't think it's fair to ask someone to end their own life in exchange for the lives of other people in that manner.
Would you kill yourself if you thought it would enable two other people to live, especially if it could reasonably be argued that they already lived in you, in a sense?
Would you kill yourself if you thought it would enable two other people to live, especially if it could reasonably be argued that they already lived in you, in a sense?
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