Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

[DaveyNY]

A piece of wood, a mannequin, and a redneck walk into a bar...

..thus are born T'Pol... Archer... and Trip... according to some critics.

Not Chakoty...7of 9 ....and Paris?

Different Bar... Your thinking of the one with the Pole Dancing.

I wish Enterprise would just go away.

It did.

But then It got Really Annoying and came roaring back as a set of DVD's!!

(Which I will finally finish collecting when I buy Season 4, with this years tax refund...)

 

[pookha]

I thought he only arrived in the 'past' after Nero had already destroyed the Kelvin,

Spoiler: ST XI

Vulcan

, and possibly San Francisco as well.

Why on Earth would you think that?

what were his exact words to Gillian again? "I am from Earth, I only work in outer space"? or did he say "I was born here"? I've forgotten. if he was born on the Kelvin, it'd be a big canon booboo. but then so's the entire movie. oh well.

Dr. Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me, you're from outer space.
Kirk: No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space.

He can still be born in space, but if he's shipped from there back to Earth as an infant and grows up in Iowa, Iowa will be the earliest home he remembers. He'll be from Iowa. No problem.

not only that we know kirk spent some of his pre starfleet life out in space thanks to the conscience of the king.

hmm if there was one part of his past change it may be that he never made it to tarsus 4 as a youth.

 

[Count Zero]

Or maybe he did and it traumatised him so much he became a drunk in a bar.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yes. ENTERPRISE is in the past of both TOS timelines. Abrams' "new" one...as well as the Classic. ENT happens eighty to 115 years before the 23rd century events in the new movie even with Nero's interference from the future and the tweaking of history. Doesn't Simon Pegg's Scotty even reference Archer and his dog Porthos once in the new film as a bone to the fans who liked that show?

 

[cooleddie74]

The Kelvin attack happens as Jim Kirk is born, dating it at 2233, probably March 22 (Kirk's supposed birthday). Still well after the events of "Enterprise."

It just struck me....if James Tiberius Kirk is born on the Kelvin as it is being attacked by Nero, this movie probably won't go over too well in Riverside, Iowa.

Well...he still ends up LIVING there, doesn't he? Tourism saved!

 

[pookha]

Or maybe he did and it traumatised him so much he became a drunk in a bar.

and someone challenged him to join starfleet make sure that could never happen again.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Or maybe he did and it traumatised him so much he became a drunk in a bar.

That's a good point, actually.

Kirk in the original timeline could have been drunk at the bar because of what he had just witnessed at Tarsus IV. Kirk in *this* timeline is drunk at the bar because he was raised by his loser uncle.

 

[Captain MAJ]

Or maybe he did and it traumatised him so much he became a drunk in a bar.

That's a good point, actually.

Kirk in the original timeline could have been drunk at the bar because of what he had just witnessed at Tarsus IV. Kirk in *this* timeline is drunk at the bar because he was raised by his loser uncle.

The Massacre at Tarsus IV took place in 2246. (20 years before TOS: "The Conscience of the King" which took place in 2266) Kirk was only 13 years old...I doubt he went and got drunk at a bar afterward. His being raised by his uncle though could mean he never went to Tarsus IV. In the scene in the 2nd trailer when he drives the Corvette over the cliff, he would've been about the right age, but apparently he's still in Iowa. (Unless he just got back and drove his uncle's Corvette over the cliff because of what he saw on Tarsus.)

 

[Stewey]

Enterprise NEVER happened in canon, period.

No amount of retconning or fannon explanations will ever convince me that the events of that show occurred in the proper Trek timeline depicted on the 4 trek shows, given the huge and glaring contradictions contained within the show.

If this film references that show, then the only way they can credibly do it is to say that those events in Enterprise happened in an alternate timeline. Anything else and this films credibility will be as undermined as that show was, and equally as underserving of the Trek name as Enterprise was.

 

[Kemaiku]

^Star Trek Enterprise happened in both timelines, it is canon, it is the fifth (or sixth if you count TAS) constituent part of the franchise. Its been *years* now, can we get over this shit?

 

[Stewey]

Thats the official position of Paramount who own the franchise, but as a mere consumer I don't consider it part of Trek nor deserving of the label of Star Trek.

You are right, I am not over it - but only because as a Star Trek fan I want to see something produced that truly deserves to be called Star Trek and for me that means fitting in with established canon regardless of how easy or hard it is to do for the writers and producers.

I understand the position of the studio, they want to make money, but like any consumer I demand a high quality product and to me that is not an unreasonable desire. Good businesses listen to (should do anyway) their customers, especially their loyal ones.

 

[Captain MAJ]

Then you should Boycott Trek until they start listening to you....I'm sure they'll listen then......

 

[cooleddie74]

Thats the official position of Paramount who own the franchise, but as a mere consumer I don't consider it part of Trek nor deserving of the label of Star Trek.

You are right, I am not over it - but only because as a Star Trek fan I want to see something produced that truly deserves to be called Star Trek and for me that means fitting in with established canon regardless of how easy or hard it is to do for the writers and producers.

I understand the position of the studio, they want to make money, but like any consumer I demand a high quality product and to me that is not an unreasonable desire. Good businesses listen to (should do anyway) their customers, especially their loyal ones.

Your decision...your freedom. But remember...even the vast majority of TREK fans disagree with your definition of ENT's canon, even if they didn't like the show.

 

[M'Sharak]

^Star Trek Enterprise happened in both timelines, it is canon, it is the fifth (or sixth if you count TAS) constituent part of the franchise. Its been *years* now, can we get over this shit?

Then you should Boycott Trek until they start listening to you....I'm sure they'll listen then......

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Your decision...your freedom. But remember...even the vast majority of TREK fans disagree with your definition of ENT's canon, even if they didn't like the show.

How soon they forget, eh, Stewey? (Actually, of the three, I think only eddie has been here long enough to have been in the ENT forum then.)

 

[cooleddie74]

^Star Trek Enterprise happened in both timelines, it is canon, it is the fifth (or sixth if you count TAS) constituent part of the franchise. Its been *years* now, can we get over this shit?

Then you should Boycott Trek until they start listening to you....I'm sure they'll listen then......

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Your decision...your freedom. But remember...even the vast majority of TREK fans disagree with your definition of ENT's canon, even if they didn't like the show.

How soon they forget, eh, Stewey? (Actually, of the three, I think only eddie has been here long enough to have been in the ENT forum then.)

I was in the ENT forums when I was the resident Jolene Blalock basher. Remember my skreeds when I didn't like her OR T'Pol? Ugh. Hard to believe I started life in the "Series V"/ENT forums as such a buzzkill and one-note hack.

 

[Captain MAJ]

Hopefully all the Trek XI bashers feel the same in a few months. They'll join us on the Dark Side eventually...

 

[Tom]

Stewy, weren't you perma-banned by T'bonz years ago?

 

[cooleddie74]

I was in the ENT forums the day it was kicked off, I believe. I remember logging on around the time VOYAGER was airing its final episodes in the mid-spring of 2001 and suddenly seeing "Series V" pop up in the menu.

 

[Photoman15]

Then there's me....

 

[Kemaiku]

Hopefully all the Trek XI bashers feel the same in a few months. They'll join us on the Dark Side eventually...

Since I'm only buying Enterprise on DVD 'now' I think you'll be waiting for quite a while.