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Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?
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Okay..Okay I think I get the hint, back to the topic at hand. Did Enterprise happen in J.J.'s Trek? Yes! Originaly I was going to say that ENTERPRISE didn't happen in the ''PRIME'' universe where Spock comes from, it only takes place in J.J.'s Verse, But then I rememberd ''TATV''
And the NX-O1 model ''NOW'' in the 'ENTERPRISE' lineage display case in NEMESIS, So apparently it does happen in ''BOTH'' Universes.
If it makes you feel any better, I don't think the NX does appear in the Conference Lounge display case... There are six starships there and one of them must surely be the current Enterprise-E. Although a U.S.S. Archer does appear named in his honor, as part of the taskforce list in the Stellar Cartography scene...Originaly I was going to say that ENTERPRISE didn't happen in the ''PRIME'' universe where Spock comes from, it only takes place in J.J.'s Verse, But then I rememberd ''TATV''
As a side note, I loved how ENT returned the favour - using Valdore as the name of the Romulan Admiral in charge of the remote Drone marauder program in the Babel One trilogy.
Oh, good, then it's gone.
Are you sure? I coulda swore I saw a miniature NX-O1 in that display caseIf it makes you feel any better, I don't think the NX does appear in the Conference Lounge display case... There are six starships there and one of them must surely be the current Enterprise-E. Although a U.S.S. Archer does appear named in his honor, as part of the taskforce list in the Stellar Cartography scene...Originaly I was going to say that ENTERPRISE didn't happen in the ''PRIME'' universe where Spock comes from, it only takes place in J.J.'s Verse, But then I rememberd ''TATV''
As a side note, I loved how ENT returned the favour - using Valdore as the name of the Romulan Admiral in charge of the remote Drone marauder program in the Babel One trilogy.
If I'm wrong I'll admit it, but I'm sure I saw it!? I geuss I''ll have to look again to be sure, Unless someone here already has a ''Screenshot'' of the sceene I'm talking about. Also I never noticed that about the ''Babel One'' arc!
that's gotta be proff positive ENTERPRISE is indeed ''Canon''
Not if First Contact was the ''Prequal'' to this, NU-TREK
that would still make ENTERPRISE part of this movies history.
Ah, the memories.
How soon they forget, eh, Stewey?(Actually, of the three, I think only eddie has been here long enough to have been in the ENT forum then.)
I was in the ENT forums when I was the resident Jolene Blalock basher.
For the first time ever... violence breaks out at a Star Trek movie.
I really have to disagree with you there.
When you compare the events of Enterprise to the references to Ents timeline from the other shows, the two cannot be reconciled. Enterprise could not possibly lead to the TOS/TNG/DS9/Voyager as they were seen on screen.
Enterprise could have redeemed itself by using the TCW (a truly horrible idea in the first place in my view) as a way to explain why Enterprise contradicts the other shows so glaringly. I think it could have brought many fans back to that show, perhaps even me.
Whether or not any particular show had errors or not, I would never consider that to be a justification for the carelessness of B&B when they came up with Enterprise.
The odd genuine mistake in an individual episode can be forgiven but for me it is unforgivable to be so careless when it comes to the entire premise for a prequel series set in the past of a universe with 40 years worth of content.
I appreciate and accept that people simply want to be entertained, but for me I simply can't be entertained by a show that metaphorically sticks two fingers up to TOS and the series that followed.
Hi Cyrus, porthos was the only character I did like.
I'm still waiting for these glaring contradictions
^ During the time that Enterprise was on the air, Stewey held forth weekly in depth and in great detail upon those, I can assure you, to a degree which will likely never be surpassed by any mortal. Quite eloquent he was, but don't think that's quite what this thread or this forum are really about.
Thank Goodness Saner Heads Prevail...(most of the time...)
By the time WE get through tearing this thing to shreds.... It Will...
(It'll be as much fun as stuffin' a really huge sausage into a Ity-Bity, Vee-Shaped Hole...
)...or not...
There's someone in BSG who is close (entire manifestos on why he hates such-and-such episode), but he doesn't do it on a daily/hourly basis like Stewey did.
I really have to disagree with you there.
When you compare the events of Enterprise to the references to Ents timeline from the other shows, the two cannot be reconciled. Enterprise could not possibly lead to the TOS/TNG/DS9/Voyager as they were seen on screen.
Enterprise could have redeemed itself by using the TCW (a truly horrible idea in the first place in my view) as a way to explain why Enterprise contradicts the other shows so glaringly. I think it could have brought many fans back to that show, perhaps even me.
Whether or not any particular show had errors or not, I would never consider that to be a justification for the carelessness of B&B when they came up with Enterprise.
The odd genuine mistake in an individual episode can be forgiven but for me it is unforgivable to be so careless when it comes to the entire premise for a prequel series set in the past of a universe with 40 years worth of content.
I appreciate and accept that people simply want to be entertained, but for me I simply can't be entertained by a show that metaphorically sticks two fingers up to TOS and the series that followed.
Hi Cyrus, porthos was the only character I did like.
Oh Stewey, I really did miss you. Welcome back.
As the new movie takes place in an alternate universe, how do you feel about 'Enterprise' being in the past of this new universe, and not the past of the regular TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY one?
Perfect!
I absolutely like it! No, really, it does make sense. Seen from a purely stylistical standpoint, a technological evolution between ENT and nuTrek seems to be much more logical, much more natural than a technological evolution between ENT and TOS. However, we don't know enough about the background story of nuTrek to be able to judge whether this evolution can also include history, politics, the Federation's society in general and such.
[Also, it gives all the ENT and nuTrek haters a valid argument why both incarnations of Star Trek can never be parts of the official canon and of the generally-accepted timeline.]
Are you sure? I coulda swore I saw a miniature NX-O1 in that display caseIf it makes you feel any better, I don't think the NX does appear in the Conference Lounge display case... There are six starships there and one of them must surely be the current Enterprise-E. Although a U.S.S. Archer does appear named in his honor, as part of the taskforce list in the Stellar Cartography scene...Originaly I was going to say that ENTERPRISE didn't happen in the ''PRIME'' universe where Spock comes from, it only takes place in J.J.'s Verse, But then I rememberd ''TATV''
As a side note, I loved how ENT returned the favour - using Valdore as the name of the Romulan Admiral in charge of the remote Drone marauder program in the Babel One trilogy.
I think the NX-01 is left out of the NEMESIS display case for the sake of long-term display continuity...since the 1701-D wall sculptures and the first 1701-E case didn't show Archer's ship either. Just to avoid a lot of complaints and arguments about altered timelines changing little subtle details and the like. B&B just decided to keep the displays the way they had been since 1987 and the first season of TNG.
That said...I'm sure Earley would be too drunk to notice either way.
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I believe I'm aware of the individual to whom you refer, but close? Meh. He's a piker, by comparison (and also outside the scope of this thread and this forum.
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Yep! that's sounds like Earley alright! But that ''would'' be coming from a squid who loves to watch ''SAW 2'' at thu Dollah Theata!
Hi Cyrus, porthos was the only character I did like.
Welcome back dude.
In the new movie Porthos will be the only character that remembers the different time lines (sort of like Guinan).
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