Seriously? Did anyone like that character at all? She moaned all the time about how the Doctor liked Rose more than her, she boasted to other characters about how she'd been in space and met Shakespeare, and the girl playing her was a pretty lousy actress. Her personality didnt complement the Doctor, and she didnt bring anything to the show. Then she apparently become a huge part of UNIT, the fact that she had travelled with the Doctor and recieved half a medical degree apparently having made her just the sort of person to handle projects of extreme scientific complexity. I just want to know if anyone likes her? I mean, I really didnt like Tennants Doctor much, but I can at least understand why someone else might have.
Did anyone like Martha?
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I didn't like her, a weak character dumped on a weak actress having to play alongside a man who eats the screen...it was never going to end well.
However I know a lot of people on here really do like her so the answer to your question is yes, some people did (and likely still do) like Martha
However I know a lot of people on here really do like her so the answer to your question is yes, some people did (and likely still do) like Martha
I didn't like her, a weak character dumped on a weak actress having to play alongside a man who eats the screen...it was never going to end well.
However I know a lot of people on here really do like her so the answer to your question is yes, some people did (and likely still do) like Martha
Then I change my question to: why do people like Martha?
Season three is probably, over all, my favorite season of the rebooted series. I find it to be the most re-watchable, with only a four episode run towards the beginning (42, Lazarus Experiment, and the Dalek 2-parter) to mar it. Outside of those, every other episode in the season was, to me, at the very least good. Martha was a big part of that. She brought a different story arc with 10 than Rose, being the unrequited love, that I enjoyed following some of the sap of the Rose arc.
She was kinda hot?
The thing with Martha, for better or worse, is that she really wan't a character in and of herself. She was the representation of the Doctor's simultaneous need for companionship and refusal to form a real bond with anyone (and throw in a dash of running-away-from-hard-choices). As for Tennant, the guy captured the spirit of the Doctor pretty well. Seriously, he's a really old man that runs away with his problems, takes perverse pleasure in chaos and deals with loneliness issues by dragging along 20-something women with which he has problems being on the level with. Nevermind how he'll repeatedly put them in danger, but feel guilty for doing so. He's f'ing nuts.
The 3rd season itself was pretty good. Not as good as the first 2 (the 2-parter with the Master knocks it down some notches all by itself), but at least you could jump in as a series newb and not miss much. The 4th season works best after you've watched the rest of the series. In fact, the library 2-parter has a much bigger punch if you watch after seeing the 5th season (that's how I did it and...wow...shocker).
The thing with Martha, for better or worse, is that she really wan't a character in and of herself. She was the representation of the Doctor's simultaneous need for companionship and refusal to form a real bond with anyone (and throw in a dash of running-away-from-hard-choices). As for Tennant, the guy captured the spirit of the Doctor pretty well. Seriously, he's a really old man that runs away with his problems, takes perverse pleasure in chaos and deals with loneliness issues by dragging along 20-something women with which he has problems being on the level with. Nevermind how he'll repeatedly put them in danger, but feel guilty for doing so. He's f'ing nuts.
The 3rd season itself was pretty good. Not as good as the first 2 (the 2-parter with the Master knocks it down some notches all by itself), but at least you could jump in as a series newb and not miss much. The 4th season works best after you've watched the rest of the series. In fact, the library 2-parter has a much bigger punch if you watch after seeing the 5th season (that's how I did it and...wow...shocker).
I like Martha because as much as she was naive at the start of her journey with the Doctor, she grew and evolved to the point where she realized she didn't need the Doctor (granted part of this decision had to do with realizing the Doctor would never return her love) and she was able to do things that I never thought Rose could do. I nicknamed her Martha the Strong, especially during the Year that Never Happened...I don't think Rose could have done what Martha did to unite the world. She's not among my favorite of RTD's companions though. I'd rank her third. I also liked her Torchwood appearance, she fit right in with that group. Like most fans I was expecting her to be cast in the new series. I still think the marriage with Mickey was thrown in as a bit of a fankwank on Russell's part.
That pretty much sums up my thoughts.
For me, part of the problem was that I could never imagine Martha walking the earth as she was supposed to do in the Year that Never Happened. I felt that she was a very weak character without the Doctor, and that it was just something that the writers put in there and hoped got accepted. The same sort of thing was true of her leaving the Doctor, I liked the idea that she left him because he knew she would never be loved by him, but I never felt like she grew as a character during her time with him. She seems just as strong in 'Smith and Jones' as she did in 'The Last of the Time Lords', maybe even a little stronger, in fact.
As for Tennant, I didnt entirely hate him, I thought he was okay. Youre right that he captured the spirit of the Doctor, but I never really felt he captured everything else, the intellect, the gravity and importance, the age. It seemed to me like you only ever got angry face doctor or happy/enthusiastic face doctor. I suspect this arguemet has played itself out a million and one times on this forum, but my doctor is Matt Smith. I think he bought a real sublety and complexity to the character, and it was the first time that he really seemed like this very deep and legendary alien. I always thought Tennant just seemed like a very enthusiastic human. Smith doctor just has a much broader personality.
Martha was Rose version 2, but with different results.
She wanted to get close with the Doctor, but he kept her at arms' length. In the end, she realized that there would always be a distance between them and went on her own path, ultimately becoming a soldier in the Doctor's "army"...
She wanted to get close with the Doctor, but he kept her at arms' length. In the end, she realized that there would always be a distance between them and went on her own path, ultimately becoming a soldier in the Doctor's "army"...
I liked Freema, but she was given a thankless job - Martha was a wash-out as a character, set up from the beginning (however accidentally) as a whiner.
She was, though. That's exactly what she was.
I like Martha better post-Season 3 when she goes off and helps Torchwood and works with UNIT.
I first looked at this forum today. I hate Martha, the return of Rose, and 'Journeys End'. I dont think you can just blame the forums for people not liking these things.
That was not at all the point I was making with my post, but thanks for playing.
You said: 'I loved every character, story arc, and season of the RTD Who, as I was fortunate enough to watch all of them before I ever entered the forum here and discovered all the stuff I was supposed to hate.'
This does seem to imply that you think these forums change the way people react to the series. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were trying to say, but I think that mistake was justified.
Yeah, I wasn't saying that; I was criticizing the implicit attitude that tends to come up in these threads that of course the majority opinion is the correct one, and how could any true fan disagree with it? I was thumbing my nose at the idea by saying I'd formed my opinion before I got the (metaphorical) forum memo that we were all supposed to hate Martha. Maybe a smiley would have helped.
I liked her
I liked her.
One thing I really liked that in her first story, she did not start acting like a lunatic upon finding out she was on the moon.
I mean...I was so
when EVERYONE else in the hospital were panicking, crying and running about. Seems like the entire British population are panic mongers in the Who-Universe.
One thing I really liked that in her first story, she did not start acting like a lunatic upon finding out she was on the moon.
I mean...I was so
when EVERYONE else in the hospital were panicking, crying and running about. Seems like the entire British population are panic mongers in the Who-Universe.
