She was willing to let Icheb be executed for trespassing during a joy ride, but mother henned Tom for acts of terrorism running the boy to freedom out past the limits of the injured parties jurisdiction...
Er, what?
Q Two where Icheb infamously said '"Captain Janeway taught me to respect the laws of other cultures!" as she delivered the boy to a gallows vs 40 days where the cops chased Voyager to get Tom back for a couple weeks because he was breaking bad. Remember how Bush right after 911 said that whoever is harbouring terrorists is as bad as the actual terrorists and would be treated in kind?
And her activity in Devore Space was beyond the pale! Operating an underground rail road in strict defiance of the local laws secreting dread criminals to safe harbour!
And I suppose those running the underground railroad for escaped slaves or those smuggling Jews out of Europe during the Holocaust are also in the wrong?
It's a non-interference policy called the Prime Directive not a non-interference policy called the Sometimes Directive. She's supposed to be Switzerland. Kimc, it's good to be Robin hood but the Sherrif was still the legal Authority. Did she do the right thing, sure, did she do the legal thing? No. Could the Devore sue for extradition? Well they would be laughed at, but they could try but here's the rat faced truth about extradition treaties, if you cheat on them, so will everyone else. It's her job not to implicate the federation and drag them into any wars (peacekeeping, disturbance, disaster relief)they (as a civilization) do not have the resources to wage/undertake.
They were already on their way when she found out what happened and who did it. Was she supposed to go back to a planet that explicitly said they were no longer welcome just to teach some crew members a lesson?
No. They were in orbit. First they figured out that the transit tech needed the planet (and only that particualr planet) to resonate off and then they discovered that the tech was incompatible with Federation tech. Antineutrinos I think? Seska, B'Elanna and Tuvok defied Janeway, lied to Janeway and stole from friendly if not fair weather allies. It's really a PG version of what Rason did to those space beasties, taking what was told that he was not allowed. They shat on Janeways authority with a secret mutiny and made her appear castrated to the aliens below. Every one involved should have been at the least stripped of rank or handed over tot he local authorities the same as janeway would expect if some one was stealing her technology (Seska again.).
Just how were they supposed to go hundreds of years into the future to return it?
Not return it, just destroy the emitter or even isolate and not use the bugger. For gods sake imagine what would have happened to that galaxy if the Borg got hold of that tech and in all honest truth, they were morons not to pursue it after meeting One. It was dangerous. they didn't understand it and they couldn't look after it or defend it. And the situation is even worse when you understand that obviously Braxton intentionally and wittingly left it in Janeways care to preserve his own timeline that he was treating her like a puppet destroying the possibility of an infinite number of perhaps benevolent alternate futures where the federation reigns better
Clipped wings.
She let them stack the deck.
[Wonderfalls]Fates Bitch bending over for destiny [/Wonderfalls]
They were NOT legally held for cause.
Just because the system of justice in place seems odd, it doesn't mean that it's not legally binding in an odd area of space... Didn't you laugh when Bush accidentally (I need to update my material) that the CIA had secret prisons. they were imprisoned by a legal authority who decided on a fitting duration for the offence committed even if Janeway didn't understand or agree.
It's remarkable that women are still locked up in some backward countries for prostitution.
It was a chance to bring back some Talaxians who had been killed. She didn't buy into the science involved but let him try anyway. What horror!
And if we gave all the third world nations and Arab states nuclear power stations for their birthdays, we wouldn't be afraid that any of these fine upstanding places would begin making nuclear weapons at some point soon eventually? This episode wasn't a Janeway problem, it completely escaped the writers imagination about how dangerous it was to give a man like Jetrel the secret to ultimate power and galactic (quadrantal?) domination, or his superiors when he he begun implementing what he had learnt on voyager into his general research and development since it would have been criminal for him not to event the transporter a week after his adventure on Voyager.
Saving a few people meant the domination or devastation or hundreds or thousands of planets by a pack of assholes who had already claimed ownership over the talaxians because they couldn't stand up to the Harkonian war machine.
"Distant Origin" was not in Season 7 and how was there a way back to Earth in that one?
I was thinking about the end of Planet of the Apes.
The Dinosaurs had transwarp. If they wanted to go to earth. They went to earth. It would only take a few days, maybe hours depending on how comparable their transwarp was to the Borgs, but haven't you seen the DaVinchi code? there are dangerous consequences to proving that any religion is a pack of lies. If people don't like that, iagine how Dinosaurs feel?
You don't think the Pope can deploy ninjas at a moments notice when he feels threatened by logic or reason?
She honoured the truce agreement made with the leader who was killed. it made sense at the time even if there was a poorly conceived episode of revolting holograms to follow...
Not talking about Killing game. Talking about in the flesh. 8472 were given the a tutorial on Borg Nano probes and how it kills 8472 a first frond of the olive branch of peace and community.
Stalin didn't have the Bomb till 1952 I think?
Allies shmellies.
Gods, she let Voyagers technology run amok freehold in the Void because it was easier to ignore the Prime Directive to give away technology to potentially harmful assholes who might go on to decimate billions if not sell that technology to assholes who will go on to destroy Billions or trillions because Janeway couldn't stomach breaking the Prime Directive by killing a few dickheads too stupid not to fall for the same trap as Winney the Pooh.
What? How did she let technology run amok in the void?
She created a free society. A community where every one shared technology and resources. Good in principle, but getting them to all agree to a declaration of principles was hardly binding since one of her new chief lieutenants was still killing for resources well into the third act when she had to give him the boot for being a dick. All the ships that escaped the void knew everything about Voyager's technology (and every other ship there.)and they all returned to their homeworlds and implemented that technology on a grand scale unless they were idiots... Thus destabilizing the balance of power in many many many regions of nearby space sewing war and chaos.
Ransom should have put her in the Brig.
Ransom should have had his genocidal ass kicked before kicking himself.
Half way home by season 6, they required 56 of them murdered to get home, another 30 thousand light years. He claimed that a wormhole had helped with a generous distance travelled away from Caretaker's array... Voyager was still within travelling distance of the aliens who worshipped the space beasties. So to get as far as they did, it was unlikely that they had killed more than 3 dozen or the space beasties by the opening credits unless they had a multitude stored for the long haul.
I'm actually wondering if Equinox had been running at fill tilt? please consider that the further they got away from that region of space the harder it would be to find beasties especially if they got bored of being killed every time they tried to get revenge for their thwacked brethren? I'm thinking that Equinox was still at the beginning of this monstrous plan and it was going around in circles filling up it's fuel tank.
Genocide is grossly inaccurate unless I am grossly underestimating how many of those ugly things there actually were.
So he killed, or ordered the killing of less than 50 aliens but janeway ordered by her silence the execution of hundreds of thousands of Borg and a handful of free Borg in Unimatrix zero in the hopes that all the free Borg would go on as a species...
Sounds the same as Ransom but on a much larger scale and it only took a minute and half for Janeway to crack and sell out all the free Borg anyways making her sacrifice of those hundreds of thousand of Borg meaningless.
Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons is just as bad as doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
