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Did anyone else have a problem with Equinox, part two?

International law allows that any given country holds law over the first 200 miles from land.

And what do you mean by "some countries"?

When was the last time you heard about an American Coast Guard frigate observing an oncomming North Korean Aircraft Carrier runnng towards the American boarder, shrugging and saying "Never mind, come for the whores, stay for the cocaine."

Never?

Of course not.

They hold the line.

Even if it's futile until reinforcements show up.

Do Unto Others.

6 years later Janeway decided she was wrong in Swarm.

Q2: There's a vessel approaching.
ALIEN [on viewscreen]: You're trespassing in Chokuzan space.
Q2: We were just leaving.
ALIEN [on viewscreen]: Our laws require that you be incarcerated pending an investigation.
Q2: How long will that take?
ALIEN [on viewscreen]: Disengage your engines and prepare to be boarded.
ICHEB: We should do as he says.
Q2: Why? Just because he has a bigger ship?
ICHEB: Because Captain Janeway has taught us to respect the laws of other cultures.
Q2: I should have known better than to bring you along.
ICHEB: You're going to get us killed!
 
200 miles. :guffaw:

Territorial waters don't extend that far. This is from wikipedia:

Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22 km; 14 mi) from the (usually the mean low-water mark) of a state. The territorial sea is regarded as the sovereign territory of the state, although foreign ships (both military and civilian) are allowed innocent passage through it; this sovereignty also extends to the airspace over and seabed below.

Notice that military and civilian ships are allowed innocent passage, which is what Voyager wanted. I think Janeway was well within our customary law when she decided to pass on through, but ymmv.

The whole wiki article is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters
 
If Voyager disarmed it's huge arsenal which can wreck a dozen planets over, without resupplying, then perhaps the ship could be described as innocent. If they were law abiding they might be described as innocent which is a huge catch 22, since they can only go into swarmie space if they obey the law and the only law they know is that will be murdered if they go through Swarm Space.

If she couldn't reason with them when she hadn't shitted on their good nature an constitution, then what chance did she have to bank on their good will after she had shat on their good nature and constitution. Janeway was an idiot if she didn't understand that she might have to use deadly force to make it safely to the other side of Swarmy Space and she was psychotic if she didn't have a number in her head that she wasn't allowed to murder over in the defence of her crew. Was she willing to kill 10 aliens to save her ship? A hundred? A thousand? 10 thousand? At what point was she going to surrender rather than murder a million aliens who were only trying to defend their homestead from nasty belligerent alien invaders who can't grasp the idea that "No" means "no"? She murdered them, but they forced her to murder them, but she forced them to force her to murder them.

Evidence...

NEELIX: If these people are who I think they are, I can tell you this is very bad news. I've never actually encountered them but from what I've heard I'm glad I didn't. Most ships that enter their space are never heard from again. Some have returned with everyone on board dead. They're a complete mystery. No one knows their name, how many of them there are, what the culture is like. Just that they really don't want people violating their territory.
KIM: If this is any indication of their borders, it's a huge area of space, hundreds of sectors. If we were to go around it it would take months.
CHAKOTAY: I'd say over fifteen months even if we could sustain maximum warp, which we can't.
JANEWAY: I'm not going to tell this crew we're adding another fifteen months to this journey. We'll have to find another option.
In The Void, kathy spent all night rereading the Starfleet Charter trying to find a loophole which would allow her to justify piracy, murder and exploitation of the weak to ensure the continuation of their mission. Although it seems back in season 2 no justification was required.

This would have been the perfect time to bump into ransom before he went bad and before she swept her badness under the rug...Would Ransom have hunted her down and forced her to face Swarmie Justice for tresspassing and murdering all those thousands and thousands of Swarmies?

Back in the real world...

After reading your wikipage I now know that the exclusive economic Zone is 200 miles. Which doesn't allow for the any restricting of passage, but does insist on which laws are being enforced. Before posting, I goodled for where international waters start. Which would be 200 miles, which was the number in my head anyways, not realizing that there was a buffer of 188 nautical miles between territorial waters and international waters called the exclusive economic zone.

Back to the fake ass world of spaceships...

There was no arbitrary point in space where they said this is ours and this is not ours. There was a clear wall in space which was a massive scanning field which federation science found it almost impossible to crack.

Following this example, even though it's not really applicable to "galactic law" (Can you hear Christopher Plumber from the Undiscovered Country in your head right now?), 12 nautical miles past the scanning fiend is their territorial space but it's not until 200 miles past the effects of that field that space is open, because obciously the limits of field itself is their metaphorical coastline just like the endless hectares of minefiends on the Finish boarders.

Whitey conquered America, extending the frontier by Building Post Offices. Plop! Another one down, and America is bigger! Yaa! Called it Manifest Destiny... Even though some might call it squatters rights considering whitey was having a bitch of a time at removing the natives.
 
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When was the last time you heard about an American Coast Guard frigate observing an oncomming North Korean Aircraft Carrier runnng towards the American boarder, shrugging and saying "Never mind, come for the whores, stay for the cocaine."

Never?

Of course not.

Of course not, because the North Koreans don't HAVE an aircraft carrier! :guffaw:
 
I thought that sounded weird, but then I thought that it would be stupid if the last credible threat to the American Empire and the safety of the world had a Navy composed only of a couple row boats as if some magic spin doctor was exaggerating the danger to maintain a crumbling economy?

You would think that North Korea would make some really great toys to play with if they were going to continue to boast that they have never signed an armistice for that dust up after WWII, which technically means right now that they are "winning" but not "won"... I'm surprised Kim never sued to get residuals form M*A*S*H* since starting the "war" was arguably Creative input to drafting the series and that show is a fricking goldmine.
 
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