Diane Duane and the Rihannsu saga

[Christopher]

^Lia Burke is a major supporting player in Duane's 1-part story "The Last Word" in DC's first TOS comic. Naraht is referenced and some other Duane characters may be mentioned too.

The thing to keep in mind about Diane Duane is that she has a flexible approach to chronology in her series fiction. The Young Wizards series has a sliding time scale; it's been going on for over 20 years and each book has always been explicitly set in the same year it comes out, reflecting the computer technology, pop culture, etc. of the time, yet the main characters have aged only a few years over the entire series. So it's not surprising that Duane would use the same supporting Enterprise crew characters in books and comics set in various different time frames from 5-year mission to post-Search for Spock without really worrying about their relative places in the timeline.

 

[Therin of Andor]

the transporter operator Lt. Renner. She's such a bit player that I'd forgotten about her until I saw her name while skimming through the book just now.

Theresa Renner is in "The Kobayashi Alternative" game, too, and was named for Duane's ex-housemate.

Naraht and Kerasus also appeared in Diane Duane's TOS DC Series one two parter Double Blind. She wrote some other comics, but I haven't gotten that far into the series, so I don't know if any of her characters appear or not.

Dr Tom Kejci! Athende, the tentacled Sulamid, and Avoca are also name-referenced in "The Last Word".

http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/2007/03/from-novel-to-comic-diane-duanes-star.html

 

[seigezunt]

LOL @ "Duaneverse."

 

[ATimson]

LOL @ "Duaneverse."

So does the Duaneverse include Dark Mirror, and if so, does that make the Young Wizards novels part of her Trek continuity?

 

[Stevil2001]

And if Young Wizards are included, then so is Doctor Who.

 

[Veeza]

complete with era-jumps from pre-TMP second 5 year mission

Are there any other early novels etc that are set in this 'pre-TMP second 5 year mission?' Or is it only the early Diane Duane novels that took this approach.

 

[F. King Daniel]

A few, but they're not compatible with each other.
Pawns and Symbols (TOS ship and ranks, TOS events 5+ years ago)
Black Fire (bridge and uniform upgrade to TMP style)
The Wounded Sky, Rihannsu 1+2 (TOS uniforms and ranks on TMP style ship, promotions to TMP ranks for a few crew members)
The framing story of The Final Reflection might be set in this period as well. I might be wrong about that one.

That's all I can think of. It's a shame they don't all fit together.

 

[Christopher]

The framing story of The Final Reflection might be set in this period as well. I might be wrong about that one.

The frame of TFR is set a decade after "Errand of Mercy," but there's nothing in the book to indicate that it isn't post-TMP, except for a passing reference to "Yeoman Janice Rand," which is problematical either way (post-TMP she should be a CPO/transporter chief, and pre-TMP it's hard to believe she'd still be aboard).

 

[ATimson]

The Wounded Sky, Rihannsu 1+2 (TOS uniforms and ranks on TMP style ship, promotions to TMP ranks for a few crew members)

The rec room might be TMP-style, but the rest of the ship doesn't seem to be (given the references to Inieau and Starfleet using its new design as a basis for refitting other Connies).

 

[F. King Daniel]

I personally imagine the pre-TMP 2nd 5YM Enterprise looking like that Phase II halfway design from the Lost Series book, incorporating elements of both the TOS and TMP ships (a nice CG of it was made but not used for James Cawley's fan film series). Thus the replacement Intrepid would be the final TMP design.

It was the Yeoman Rand reference, and the "10 years" that made me put TFR in the pre-TMP 5YM. You could easily say she was on the lower decks after season one (with Chekov!) if you wanted.

IIRC, TWS (set before ME, MA) made reference to the TMP-style warp core as well as the rec room. But as Christopher said above, Duane's chronology is a little unhinged.

A little off-topic, didn't the crew of the Intrepid (from TWS) wear orange uniforms? I recall yellow PJ's in TMP, but I don't think I've ever seen orange Starfleet gear.

 

[Therin of Andor]

A little off-topic, didn't the crew of the Intrepid (from TWS) wear orange uniforms? I recall yellow PJ's in TMP, but I don't think I've ever seen orange Starfleet gear.

Orange was the science division colour in ST:TMP, hence Spock wears the orange spacesuit in TMP, and his grey uniform features an orange patch behind his Enterprise insignia. Was this new Intrepid a science vessel?

 

[seigezunt]

Ugh. Orange. I forgot about that.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

Ugh. Orange. I forgot about that.

It was the seventies man. We had orange wallpaper!

 

[seigezunt]

say, I just picked up Intellivore at a library sale. Is it in the Duaneverse?

 

[Daddy Todd]

say, I just picked up Intellivore at a library sale. Is it in the Duaneverse?

It's not consistent with Duane's other stuff -- even the eponymous Intellivore is not the same as described in an earlier book. So, the short answer is "No, not really."

I blame Arnold.

 

[Christopher]

As I think I mentioned above, Intellivore was written during the period when explicit internovel continuity was forbidden, but it does expand on a concept mentioned in passing in The Romulan Way, so it could be seen as peripheral "Duaneverse." (It also features an interstellar community of the same name as one featured in Dark Mirror, but just about everything besides the name is different than DM's version.)

EDIT: Daddy Todd beat me to it. I didn't recall there were discrepancies between the two portrayals of the entity.

 

[seigezunt]

But nothing like Herb Tanzer's grandkid?

 

[Christopher]

You mean Harb Tanzer? No, no direct references. They wouldn't have been allowed at that time.

 

[F. King Daniel]

FWIW a few of Intellivore/Duaneverse discontinuities:

The Romulan home system has moved from 128 Trianguli in The Romulan Way to 123 Trianguli.

In The Romulan Way 17 ships left Vulcan in the exodus, in Intellivore it's 7.

The creature is called "Iruhe" in TRW and "Ieahh" in Intellivore.

I found this list in the notes at the end of the timeline by the guy we don't mention because nobody liked him (see: Continuity thread)

I can understand some of the reasoning behind the continuity purge of the 90's, but this utterly pointless change for the sake of change is bewildering.

 

[Christopher]

^Those are pretty trivial textual differences. Maybe they were typos that slipped in, or maybe Duane misremembered the details and didn't consider it important enough to keep them straight, since back then the idea of a unified book continuity wasn't as prominent as it is today. What continuity there had been in earlier years had been fairly loose and not absolute.