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Dexter's storyline for Season 5 **BEWARE OF MAJOR SEASON 4 SPOILER**

Re: Dexter's storyline for Season 5 **BEWARE OF MAJOR SEASON 4 SPOILER

^I have a different impression of the character. Sure he uses all those relationships as a cover, especially given that many of them started out that way, but I have seen evidence that he genuinely cares about his family. He helps Rita with her ex-husband. He runs off a pedophile stalker. He protects his sister from knowing what her dad was really like. He might have had personal reasons for some of that, but not all of it, & he does express concerns that aren't solely self-interest based

He didn't kill Lila, Miguel, or his brother because they posed a threat to him. That was just a perk. Ultimately, he killed them because they were murderers of innocent people, and that alone made them acceptable prey, by Harry's code. Their posing a threat to him just meant they got to jump to the head of the line
He believes what he is doing is right. He's never going to stop. He is saving people's lives by doing what normal people can't. Killing people who the justice system can't touch or failed to catch. In his mind he is a hero. "The Dark Avenger".
I believe that is a misunderstanding of the whole character. He in no way thinks of himself as righteous. The vigilante Dexter? That's what everybody else sees. The Dark Avenger is a nickname that he was given, when his "Bayside Butcher" murders became public. He didn't conjure that. Dexter knows better than that.

He knows that he is motivated exactly the way that all his victims are motivated. He is a cold blooded, psychopathically driven murderer, & the only difference between him & them is that he walks a fine line of tailoring his impulses to fit someone else's idea of justice or righteousness, and that line has dissolved a time or two

He realizes that it wasn't him that created that line, & that without it, he'd be exactly like his brother was, or at least he was raised to believe so. When death comes to him, Dexter knows that it will be as just as the deaths of most of his victims, because he too has killed innocent people, Miquel's brother, & the photographer guy

I can't see him completely wanting to be like that, a slave to those dark impulses. Sure, he says he wants it and needs it, but his actions indicate a man in conflict. He may ultimately not "Go sane" & meet his end another way, but that doesn't negate the conflict within him, that the show explores, imo
 
Re: Dexter's storyline for Season 5 **BEWARE OF MAJOR SEASON 4 SPOILER

A V Club misrepresents the series.

Technically, just a poster at the AV Club, but I figured the general label was easier.

Rudy did not prove himself unreliable and Lila did not prove herself unreliable.

Rudy tried to kill Debra more than once, as well as Angel and anybody who got in his way. He intended to go on killing innocent people once he turned Dexter. This strikes you as reliable? Lila, too, was manipulative and homicidal (she burnt down her own apartment to play on Dexter's sympathies and kills Doakes).

How any of these are "normal" relationships is an even greater mystery.

Normal only in the sense that these people (Rudy, Lila, and Miguel) actually knew Dexter, rather than the persona Dexter puts on to seem normal. I don't think the meaning was meant to strike anything further than that. Considering Dexter himself, it would be difficult to consider any relationship of his "normal."

Clyde Phillips may have been ejected for fighting against this outcome.

It's a shame that Phillips is departing the series, but that's just speculation on your part, and it's speculation that isn't supported by anything I've read at all.

First, the most ludicrous part of the series is Dexter's success.

Clearly. I suspect, when you finally see season four, that Dexter's continued success will only nag you even further, even though the season is stronger as a whole than the third. The same could be said about John Lithgow's character.

I think the series suffers too much from excessive focus on one person. There should be another player. Since Julie Benz is now The Flashette, Deborah should find out, not about Dexter, at least not directly, but about Harry. Although third season lamely turned "Harry" into some cliche unconscious persona revealing hidden wisdom from within Dexter, Deborah finding out about Harry will establish a genuinely deep connection between them, offering Dexter a meaningful choice between his (silly fantasy) vigilante career and a human life.

There's a running subplot in season four where Debra finds out (some) of Harry's past, as well as Dexter's. I suspect she will continue to learn more in season five, unless the writers want to stretch credibility in order to produce more episodes.

The problem with focusing on a second character has been evident since the second episode of the series--the narrative is driven by Dexter's subjective perspective, through the use of voice over, whatever you want to call Harry (pointless loyalty to James Remar?), and dreams.

Mallet said:
He is a serial killer. Killing is what makes him happy. He is driven to do it.

Everything else in his life (as he has said many times) is just a cover for what he really does. Brother Dexter. Cop Dexter. Boyfriend & Husband Dexter. Friend Dexter is all a cover.

If he could give up all of that and still keep killing successfully he would. But he needs the job (not just for money and access, but those are both two powerful reasons to keep it) and the friends and girlfriend so people won't be suspicious of him. What so people always say about serial killers? "They were quiet and kept to themselves." Dexter does the opposite to hide in plain sight. He brings donuts in to work to make people like him. It's a con. Emotionally he doesn't care if people like him, but he knows he needs to get people to like him in order to fit in and not be suspicious.

This may have been true at first, and Dexter has certainly continued to espouse this viewpoint with his (highly unreliable) narration, it seems pretty clear that it isn't true. He definitely has an emotional attachment to Debra (he's upfront about this as early as the pilot) and it's clear that his relationship with Rita (and their kids), whatever it was initially, is important to him.

The same with Jimmy Smits character, he was to reckless and emotional for Dexter to risk staying friends with him and since he knew his identity he was to dangerous to let live.

Miguel was dangerous because he tried to have Dexter killed, because he ignored any sense of a moral code (he kills a defense lawyer because she makes it hard for him to do his job!), and because his friendship with Dexter was ultimately a sham (the "evidence" of the bloodied shirt he gives Dexter early in the season turns out to be fake).
 
Re: Dexter's storyline for Season 5 **BEWARE OF MAJOR SEASON 4 SPOILER

The series has managed to focus on La Guerta's love life, so it can focus on Deborah finding out more about Harry. This is particularly true since it feeds into more scenes with Dexter.

Rudy and Lila were not unreliable for Dexter. They never adhered to Harry's code, and they never tried to hurt Dexter himself. Rudy in particular wasn't reckless. Lila was reckless and manipulative in her pursuit of Dexter after he rejected, so that couldn't have been why he rejected her. Miguel was never a true friend, and Dexter was deceived/deceived himself. But Miguel was in some respects an alter ego. Dexter murdering him was in some ways a suicide.

It is extremely rare for a leading producer to abandon a successful property. I think they would rather let their mothers die in old folks home or their children grow up at boarding schools or buy jewelry for neglected wives than unclamp their lips from the teats of the cash cow. So when Clyde Phillips departs (without promptly dying of something) it is tempting to wonder why.

About the same time there is a radical change of direction. Ditching Rita means that Dexter isn't no longer choosing between a normal life and his vigilante career. This sharply lowers the dramatic tension. Of course it's a speculation to posit a possible cause/effect relationship. But the idea that there are no big changes happening seems very wrong.
 
Re: Dexter's storyline for Season 5 **BEWARE OF MAJOR SEASON 4 SPOILER

The series has managed to focus on La Guerta's love life, so it can focus on Deborah finding out more about Harry. This is particularly true since it feeds into more scenes with Dexter.

When the series manages to focus on LaGuerta's love life (a profoundly dismal subplot in season four is occupied with this) it is at its worse, but I agree that a subplot about Debra would be much more pertinent.

It is extremely rare for a leading producer to abandon a successful property. I think they would rather let their mothers die in old folks home or their children grow up at boarding schools or buy jewelry for neglected wives than unclamp their lips from the teats of the cash cow. So when Clyde Phillips departs (without promptly dying of something) it is tempting to wonder why.

It doesn't seem so rare to me--executive producers leave shows all the time. 24 changed showrunners a few times, and during the height of its popularity. TNG, DS9, and VOY changed executive producers often.

Phillips has declared why he left (being a writer and executive producer on the show keeps him too far away from his family, and has been doing so for the past four years). Speculating otherwise is a waste of time, especially since it's not supported by anyone.

About the same time there is a radical change of direction. Ditching Rita means that Dexter isn't no longer choosing between a normal life and his vigilante career. This sharply lowers the dramatic tension. Of course it's a speculation to posit a possible cause/effect relationship. But the idea that there are no big changes happening seems very wrong.

Rita isn't Dexter's only shot at normal life--there are still the three kids, for example. But you should watch season four before speculating too much, I think.
 
Re: Dexter's storyline for Season 5 **BEWARE OF MAJOR SEASON 4 SPOILER

The series has managed to focus on La Guerta's love life, so it can focus on Deborah finding out more about Harry. This is particularly true since it feeds into more scenes with Dexter.

When the series manages to focus on LaGuerta's love life (a profoundly dismal subplot in season four is occupied with this) it is at its worse, but I agree that a subplot about Debra would be much more pertinent.
Agreed. That was one of the dullest subplots they've had. Masuka's subplot about being taken seriously in season 2 was better. It just seemed like they had been trying to support these characters for four seasons, with various personal plotlines, & when they finally decided it was wasted effort, they just threw them together, to at least eliminated the need for two & wittle it down to one subplot

Yes, Deborah is a much more interesting character, & decidedly more important in her connection to both Dexter & Harry
 
Re: Dexter's storyline for Season 5 **BEWARE OF MAJOR SEASON 4 SPOILER

Angel certainly hasn't had much to do as a character since season one. I wish the writers pushed the friendship angle between him and Dexter more--that would have given season three some more weight, I think.

I hope that Dexter's fellow police officers have more to do in season five, either consoling or investigating him in the wake of Rita's death. Their personal subplots that have little to do with Dexter have tended to go nowhere. Now that two of our regulars who have little chemistry together are married...I mean, will that even be acknowledged next season?
 
Re: Dexter's storyline for Season 5 **BEWARE OF MAJOR SEASON 4 SPOILER

I don't know, but I agree that I was more interested in Angel when he was befriending Dexter, so long ago, it seems
 
Re: Dexter's storyline for Season 5 **BEWARE OF MAJOR SEASON 4 SPOILER

Some casting "spoilers" for season 5:

Julia Stiles (The Bourne Movies) will play a recurring role in season five.

Plus an actor from the TV series Southland will also be added to the cast.

Plus...

Julie Benz (Rita) is apparently back as well! At least for one or two episodes... And not as a dream or "hallucination" of Dexter's (like Harry is). What this might mean no one knows or at least they are not saying.
 
Re: Dexter's storyline for Season 5 **BEWARE OF MAJOR SEASON 4 SPOILER

Well, if...

Rita is back neither as a dream nor a hallucination, it stands to reason she's either appearing as a body (unlikely) or in flashbacks (possible).
 
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