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Devil Worship in Haiti

^ The show has other things than just Pat's rants, you know. Those can be easily skipped.

But... it's a vehicle for Pat that he uses to say hateful things. Why would you support it at all? And, yes, you are supporting him by watching his show. The others are just as hateful but in a more subtle way.
 
While I do not believe the same as you do (I do think we are created separate individuals), I definitely think that the way we treat each other is critical to our spiritual well-being, in addition to our relationship with God.

I don't actually believe anything, but I do feel it is right to help. So why do I feel that, if I'm an atheist? I don't really know. What is the source of my sympathy?

I'd like another atheist to opinionate, too, if possible.

It's evolutionary. Simple as that. Almost all species of animals (including our own) can only survive if we cooperate with others of our kind. Feelings of empathy give one a greater affinity for doing so and there is is a survival advantage there. Those without such feelings become loners and are at a disadvantage. So empathy is a survival trait which is selected for in the evolutionary process.
 
However, it's not for me to decide who to hold eternally responsible for anything. I'm just saying that, in his view, I can see why he might say what he said.

It is for you to decide the type of God you choose to worship and the religious leaders you choose to admire or follow, and the fact that you'd have no problem whatsoever with worshiping a God who kills tens of thousands of people for the sins of their ancestors so long as there was documentation of a pact with Satan in 1803 (because then it's okay), speaks volumes about you.

What exactly do the Haitian people need to do to get off of God's naughty list, because they're already more than 80% Christian now and were predominately Christian even in 1803, which makes you wonder why they signed that pact with Satan anyway.

Why does Pat Robertson get to decide who is eternally responsible, by the way? Does he think he's God, or did God personally send him a memo about the Haitian situation and told Robertson to speak on his behalf?

Didn't God promise not to pull this kind of shit anymore, anyway?


God gave Noah, the rainbow sign,
No more water, the fire next time!
 
The others are just as hateful but in a more subtle way.

No, I don't think so.

And I'm not "supporting" him...like I said, even I think he's a nutcase.

By watching his show you are lining his pockets. Don't lie to yourself.

You always claim to see things in terms of black and white. Robertson is evil. You are supporting his business. You are supporting an evil man.
 
You always claim to see things in terms of black and white.

And you claim not to. Fine, then allow me the freedom to watch the parts of the show that aren't his (and to make my own judgments about what I do see).

By watching his show you're supporting him. It's like buying someone's book.

I'm not buying anything. The show is available for free over the Internet (as podcasts).
 
You always claim to see things in terms of black and white.

And you claim not to. Fine, then allow me the freedom to watch the parts of the show that aren't his (and to make my own judgments about what I do see).

By watching his show you're supporting him. It's like buying someone's book.

I'm not buying anything. The show is available for free over the Internet (as podcasts).

When you visit the site to download those podcasts Robertson gets money from the advertisements.

You might as well send him a cheque. You are knowingly putting money into an evil man's pockets.
 
RSS feeds generally track downloads, figures which are delivered to the producers of syndicated programs and used to set advertising rates for in-program ads and associated products. Do you think they would give podcasts away for free if there wasn't a profit down the line?

You help him make money.
 
ST-One, You asked some people if they would help if it weren't stipulated by their religion.

I want to know, if you would help, why?

Because it's the 'right' thing to do.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I don't need 'scriptures', 'principles' or 'teachings' to know this.
 
^ I agree, he should be able to say whatever he wants. But he should also be called out for saying something so hateful.

I guess some people here are wondering why you are being a bit coy about this. You don't seem to want to come out against what he said. And that is certainly your right. But that kind of makes me wonder if you agree with him.

I don't intend that as an attack, I'm just curious.

I do not agree with him. I do understand his viewpoint however. And I also think he's not intending it to be hateful either.

:wtf: Not to be hateful? He's blaming hundreds of thousands of deaths (possibly, hopefully not) on some voodoo? He's ignorant, bat-shit insane and hateful.
 
RSS feeds generally track downloads, figures which are delivered to the producers of syndicated programs and used to set advertising rates for in-program ads and associated products. Do you think they would give podcasts away for free if there wasn't a profit down the line?

You help him make money.

Oh. :alienblush:

I didn't know podcasts downloaded via RSS feeds could be tracked.

Okay. Looks like you won this round. Fine.
 
Well certainly not everyone uses podcasts to generate profit. I'm sure most don't, as a matter of fact, but I have no idea baout Robertson.
 
Maybe you should email this to Pat and not to me? I just based my comments on his stated beliefs. It would NOT be stupid for him to say it, if, according to his beliefs, it was the case.

Wrong for two reasons:

1. Such a statement would at most, require God to be telling him this. So much for the Protestant rule of faith (Sola Scriptura), so Robertson would have to say this and, being Protestant, blatantly violate the Protestant rule of faith. Of course, as a Pentecostal and a known false prophet (world ending in 1982), that's probably not a problem for him.

The correct answer has been, for over 2 decades, TLS: Pat Robertson is a false prophet, ignore him and call him to repentance - period.

2. Scripture.

A. The only real instances of natural evil befalling "nations" would be instances like Sodom and Gomorrah, and the only reasons Christians can point to knowing that was the case is because Scripture itself says so.

B. The correct answer, in lieu of knowing this to be true via direct revelation from God, is therefore to actually, you know, pay attention to what Jesus actually taught about natural evils like this.
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."
Luke 13 4 - 5

The point here isn't God uses natural evils to judge people and we should point that out. Rather, the point is this: That's not anybody's concern. Your concern is that unless you all repent (and notice to whom he said this to those who were assumed to be members of the covenant community. In modern parlance, that means, it was said to the church, which is the covenant community today - people like you, TLS, indeed anybody that is a part of the covenant community), you will go the same route. God doesn't just judge those who "make deals with the devil" (He doesn't have to, for, if Robertson was any true teacher, he realize that such people are already under God's judgment), He judges His own people with the same yardstick. Unless they repent, they too will go likewise...that is the point of Jesus' teaching. Why it happened doesn't and shouldn't even enter the picture. Put another way, those who cast blame would do better to consider themselves...Put different way, Robertson needs to realize that while he's wagging his finger, given his false prophecies, he has four more pointing back at him - that is the correct answer TLS.
 
When you visit the site to download those podcasts Robertson gets money from the advertisements.

I got the podcasts from an RSS feed which has no ads.

Even if there's no direct money, I'd have a hard time doing something that would give that kind of creep ratings. Ratings attract advertisers, advertisers bring in money. :(

ETA: I'm not trying to be a jerk, I promise. That's just how I feel about such things. Even when a certain someone on this board acted like an ass, that was reason enough not to buy their books.
 
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