Well, there's an aricle floating around the interwebs that pretty much dismisses that particular popular myth with proof from the episodes.
Developments you'd like to see in the NTrekverse
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Well, there's an aricle floating around the interwebs that pretty much dismisses that particular popular myth with proof from the episodes.
Smooching, yes. Actually 'banging' them.... not so much.
Indeed, I think there's only really any kind of canonical evidence to suggest Kirk only slept with three women. Carol Marcus, Miramanee, and Deela. Though with Deela, it's just implied, the two of them were in a bedroom together and Kirk was putting his boots back on. With Carol and Miramanee it's pretty obvious. They got pregnant somehow.
At least he's time-efficient.
It's likely that the Klingons will be in the next film, though I am not one clamoring to see them again after Into Darkness. I like Klingons just fine and am enjoying them in the "After Darkness" comic but when I think about Trek movies in general the Klingons have been the major foes or prominent adversaries in nearly half of them (Trek III, IV, V, VI, VII, and they had notable cameos in I, IV, and XII).
I wish they would move on to other species like the Gorn and the Tholians as bad guys. I also wouldn't mind seeing this reality's take on the Romulans. The Borg. There I said it. I've always wanted to know how Kirk and crew would fare against them, and if Archer could face down the Borg I don't see why Kirk couldn't.
I'm curious to see what Abrams, etc. could do with a new alien adversary though there are so many existing ones already out there that could be developed and probably serve whatever purpose a newly invented one would.
As for the crew:
-Building on the Carol Marcus-Kirk relationship.
-Developing Uhura as more than Spock's girlfriend while also continuing the relationship.
-Moving McCoy beyond being snarky.
-More development for Sulu, Chekhov, Scotty, and Keenser. Badass and comedic moments are fine, but I liked Scotty standing up to Kirk, it was really the heart of Into Darkness for me, and I would like to see all of the people who aren't Kirk and Spock contributing to the moral and intellectual quandaries the ship will get into.
-M'Vess and Arex added to the crew.
-More names and species names for alien crew members of the Enterprise. I think they are messing up an opportunity for toys, games, comics, etc, by not developing some of those background characters.
I wish they would move on to other species like the Gorn and the Tholians as bad guys. I also wouldn't mind seeing this reality's take on the Romulans. The Borg. There I said it. I've always wanted to know how Kirk and crew would fare against them, and if Archer could face down the Borg I don't see why Kirk couldn't.
I'm curious to see what Abrams, etc. could do with a new alien adversary though there are so many existing ones already out there that could be developed and probably serve whatever purpose a newly invented one would.
As for the crew:
-Building on the Carol Marcus-Kirk relationship.
-Developing Uhura as more than Spock's girlfriend while also continuing the relationship.
-Moving McCoy beyond being snarky.
-More development for Sulu, Chekhov, Scotty, and Keenser. Badass and comedic moments are fine, but I liked Scotty standing up to Kirk, it was really the heart of Into Darkness for me, and I would like to see all of the people who aren't Kirk and Spock contributing to the moral and intellectual quandaries the ship will get into.
-M'Vess and Arex added to the crew.
-More names and species names for alien crew members of the Enterprise. I think they are messing up an opportunity for toys, games, comics, etc, by not developing some of those background characters.
My only wish is to NOT have a Carol Marcus-Kirk relationship. I'm hoping to see a more mature Kirk who is focused on forging a stronger relationship with his crew (reaching TOS levels) and a Kirk who is focused/coming to terms with all that he has experience/learned about himself in STID.
Correct me if I am wrong but they will now be going on a five year mission and were Kirk and Marcus to get together it feels as though that is something that would distract him from applying all this new found knowledge about himself.
It would make sense to me that to deal with all that will happen on a "normal" daily basis Kirk would now strengthen his "new found" relationship with Spock and his familiar friendship with Bones. This is the point where the triumvirate is truly formed.
Correct me if I am wrong but they will now be going on a five year mission and were Kirk and Marcus to get together it feels as though that is something that would distract him from applying all this new found knowledge about himself.
It would make sense to me that to deal with all that will happen on a "normal" daily basis Kirk would now strengthen his "new found" relationship with Spock and his familiar friendship with Bones. This is the point where the triumvirate is truly formed.
This. For all the reasons mentioned and also because IMO a Captain having a sexual liasion with one of his crew is a really bad idea and I hope reboot Kirk has moved past the point where he would.
I suspect I'll be disappointed on this point...
This. For all the reasons mentioned and also because IMO a Captain having a sexual liasion with one of his crew is a really bad idea and I hope reboot Kirk has moved past the point where he would.
I suspect I'll be disappointed on this point...
Maybe they'll just be married the next time we see them and leave it at that. That way we don't have to see Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman awkwardly try to show them "courting."
As well on that point. Hopefully thy'll have broken up Spock and Uhura and put her with Scotty where she should be (thanks to TFF).
That was more out-of-left-field than anything they did with Spock/Uhura. At least with Spock/Uhura, you could point to early TOS and see that there was some chemistry between Nimoy/Nichols.
Do we ever have any evidence that Scott and Uhura were attracted to one another prior to The Final Frontier?
TBH I don't really have a problem with Spock/Uhura. I just would have preferred that if they were going to put Spock in a relationship that they had made Chapel a character and paired Spock with her.
I think there were some hints throughout TOS that Scotty was attracted to Uhura. But it was the same level of attraction he showed to other female crewmembers from time-to-time.
Personally I wish they had never introduced the whole Spock/Uhura thing- I think she is a strong character who never needed to be defined by who she is with.
Kirk and Spock are supposed to be very strong characters as well but many people including the writers still think that they should be defined as people by their friendship and they even have Spock prime saying that. Many of the opponents of the Spock/Uhura relationship are in fact people that feel she's a threat to that because if Spock has someonelse besides Kirk somehow, someway (according to them), it takes away from the fact that Kirk should be the one and only "completing him" and making him a whole person.
People, including actors like Chris Pine, always talk about how these characters cannot function as human beings without the other and I cannot imagine what people would say if the same things were said about Uhura.
So it's kinda ironic that people think that in a franchise that is mainly based on a friendship that defines the characters it's Uhura the one defined by her relationship with Spock and further ironic is that they consider that diminishing of her character all the while the same identical thing (and "worse") is considered the biggest appeal of the K/S friendship for many.
IMO It all comes down to the fact that according to some women cannot express love and feelings because if they do that they're considered "weak". On the other hand there is this very radicated patriarchal idea in the star trek fandom in particular that men being defined by their interpersonal relationships are good story telling and character development (maybe because it had always been like that) Only men are allowed to show feelings without being made weak by them.
Take how McCoy is mainly defined by his friendship with Kirk in nu!trek as almost the totality of his most important scenes are about his friendship with Kirk and yet no one complains about that making McCoy weak as a character.
none at all. Both James and Nichelle were pretty much puzzled by that, from what I remember, because there is no hint in tos that these two characters could be more than friends. BUT she said for example that Spock/Uhura was a pair that Roddenberry himself had in mind but it was controversial to explore or even just hint in the 60s.
Anyway there is no relationship to talk about even in "the final frontier". Not even the script mentions a romantic relationship or even a build up for that.
The only hint that she could have romantic feelings for Scotty is a scene where a mentally compromised (thank Sybok) Uhura tried to seduce an unwillingly Scotty (who knew she was a convert and therefore not herself) and they never mentioned it again. The only mention it gets is in the DC comics where they have them say that they're just friends and she hadn't been herself.
I know that some people think that they were already together before that (cue that other scene where she brought him lunch) but if that was true then what she said under Sybok's influence wouldn't make any sense as she explicly stated that before Sybok had made her realize those feelings she had never expressed them (also Scotty's reaction suggests she had never acted that way with him. He had the biggest wtf face when she started to talk) they were friends since so many years and a family so they could be affectionate toward each other as Kirk was when he hugged her after Spock died or how she acted when Spock came back.. but nothing more than that.
as a black female character played by a black actress Uhura had never been allowed to have any hint of on screen romance unless it happened while she was under some influence (like the Kirk/Uhura kiss and the whole Uhura/Scotty thing) so thanks but no thanks. At least the nu!trek relationship between Spock and Uhura is real, reciprocal and the old fashioned free will and "people met and fell in love" that is always better than "I suddenly decided that I love you because a crazy mofo manipulated my feelings".
If that was my thing I'd ship Spock and Leila Kalomi then.
That's an interesting observation.
Kirk and Spock are supposed to be very strong characters as well but many people including the writers still think that they should be defined as people by their friendship and they even have Spock prime saying that. Many of the opponents of the Spock/Uhura relationship are in fact people that feel she's a threat to that because if Spock has someonelse besides Kirk somehow, someway (according to them), it takes away from the fact that Kirk should be the one and only "completing him" and making him a whole person.
People, including actors like Chris Pine, always talk about how these characters cannot function as human beings without the other and I cannot imagine what people would say if the same things were said about Uhura.
So it's kinda ironic that people think that in a franchise that is mainly based on a friendship that defines the characters it's Uhura the one defined by her relationship with Spock and further ironic is that they consider that diminishing of her character all the while the same identical thing (and "worse") is considered the biggest appeal of the K/S friendship for many.
IMO It all comes down to the fact that according to some women cannot express love and feelings because if they do that they're considered "weak". On the other hand there is this very radicated patriarchal idea in the star trek fandom in particular that men being defined by their interpersonal relationships are good story telling and character development (maybe because it had always been like that) Only men are allowed to show feelings without being made weak by them.
Take how McCoy is mainly defined by his friendship with Kirk in nu!trek as almost the totality of his most important scenes are about his friendship with Kirk and yet no one complains about that making McCoy weak as a character.
Also:
I agree that I'd love to finally see a full scale war in Star Trek on the big screen (Ideally with the Klingons, but throwing in other elements like the Romulans, etc would be great too). Some people say "it's not Star Wars it's Star Trek" but I disagree. You could still have a character driven story that deals with people at war. Seeing Kirk, Spock and the crew of the Enterprise dealing with the stress and danger that goes along with being on the front lines of an intergalactic war would be great.
Plus I admit, I want to see those armada's battling in space.
I say, put them on a planet in a certain sector of space called Klach D'Kel Brakt and leave them with NO TECHNOLOGY OF ANY KIND other than what they had aboard the Botany Bay. To make sure that the other inhabitants aren't threatened, they should be placed in a different continent of said planet.
If Majel Barrett were alive today I'd like to see what they could do with Number One.
But since she's not, I think they might as well let her be. No one could play Number One like Majel, could they? (I am open to suggestions)
But since she's not, I think they might as well let her be. No one could play Number One like Majel, could they? (I am open to suggestions)
For some maybe but my reservations with Uhura's expressions of feelings in STID come from how it was done, not the fact she had feelings.
Mostly I think that the moment of entry of their ship into Kronos' atmosphere, 3 minutes eta from Harrison, was a really inappropriate moment for her to front Spock about his apparent lack of care for her feelings. This was underlined by Kirk's "are we really doing this now" which elicited a generalised snicker from the audience when I saw it and IMO made Uhura look unprofessional and foolish.
Elsewhere in the movie she did really well, but that IMO unfortunate moment was what caught my attention the most on first viewing.
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