Destroying Tornadoes

[Amaris]

Way too funny. Sounds like you were describing me...and my wife isn't much better. Our basement is more of a lower level with the south end being a walk out. As we were tracking the funnel coming in, my wife was at one of the sliding glass doors with the camcorder and I was next to her with the camera. As the straightline wind came up, and the glass started to bow, we just stepped off to the side.

Gee. do ya think that means I'm suffering from noknowes 'victim complex'?

(still debating if that victim complex post is even worth responding to. )

Wow we sound a lot alike!
I was getting pelted in the head with hail balls as big as nickels and quarters and I just kept trying to take pictures. Stupid cameras, why can't they all be waterproof and tornado resistant!?

J.

Maybe its time to look into snorkeling gear. A friend of mine found a site where you can get water proof clear cases for a lot of different brands/models of cameras. Only problem is, I'm not sure if they are shock proof.

Which brings up another interesting story...


J.

 

[Alrik]

Wow we sound a lot alike!
I was getting pelted in the head with hail balls as big as nickels and quarters and I just kept trying to take pictures. Stupid cameras, why can't they all be waterproof and tornado resistant!?

J.

Maybe its time to look into snorkeling gear. A friend of mine found a site where you can get water proof clear cases for a lot of different brands/models of cameras. Only problem is, I'm not sure if they are shock proof.

Which brings up another interesting story...


J.

Oh do tell. I have two more good ones that involve the same neighbors (our best friends). The running joke is, if there is a chance of storms and we're getting together, we know its going to get wicked.

 

[Amaris]

Maybe its time to look into snorkeling gear. A friend of mine found a site where you can get water proof clear cases for a lot of different brands/models of cameras. Only problem is, I'm not sure if they are shock proof.

Which brings up another interesting story...


J.

Oh do tell. I have two more good ones that involve the same neighbors (our best friends). The running joke is, if there is a chance of storms and we're getting together, we know its going to get wicked.

Alright. I'll forego the one about the flagpole, the lightning storm and a very drunk stormchasing buddy, and tell you about the time our car was hit by lightning. That was interesting. We were driving up the interstate trying to head off a severe cell that had already produced an F1 tornado, and we had taken my dinky little '84 Ford Tempo. Well, we get up that way ahead of the storm and get into position with cameras and everything, and out of nowhere lightning strikes my car. We weren't next to it, and it made my friend mess his pants, but I thought it was hilarious. It totally killed the radio though, but I replaced it with a cassette deck.

That was the same car we drove through a very severe storm in Preble County, Ohio, and the windshield wipers failed, so I had to lean out the window with one of those super absorbent blue truck towels and wipe down the windshield every couple of seconds. The hail hurt then, too.

J.

 

[noknowes]

Well most of us who live in 'Tornado Alley' have this very 'hush, hush' option in place just in case the worst should happen. It's called a Homeowners Insurance Policy.

I'm not making light of tornados, a year ago yesterday an EF-5 wiped 2/3s of a town, about an hour from here, off of the map. The thing is, the news last night showed how the town was doing a year later. I'd been through Parkersburg before the storm. I don't remeber seeing all those big new houses there.

Its called nature, and there's not much you can do about it. In the Mid West we deal with Tornados and Blizzards. Last year we even found out how much fun historic flooding can be. Go out West and you have Earth Quakes and Wild Fires. There's even the chance of Tsunami. The mountains have Blizzards.

You seem to be suffering from a victim complex.I don't want to be a victim.Anyone's victim.Any thing's victim.

I don't want to die.

Nature is red in tooth and claw.It is a terrible struggle for survival.

When you look at a peaceful meadow it is life and death going on beneath the placid surface.

Chardman is saying it can't be done as it has not been done.Scientific validity changes all the time.You reasoning is dogmatic.

Now to the subject of dissipating a tornado. Talk about arogant. We can't accurately even predict exactly when and where or at what magnatude a tornado will hit. We are still at the early stages of understanding how the damn things work. To think we are even close to knowing how to impact one reliably is pretty out there. I'm sorry, but a couple sets of Marshal stacks aren't going to do it....even if we do turn it up to 11. For the time being, controlling the weather is something that will have to be left to science fiction writers.

I am very scared of nature which is extremley dangerous and can kill you easily.Example one moment of inattention on the stair,you stumble and fall,brain damage,coma,death,death,death.

noknowes means that I am not arrogant or usurpious.

Hitler will be cloned because Hitler can be cloned.The world is full of NaZiS
who worship him in their bedrooms every night.When he is cloned a massive natzi uprising will overthrow established governments o impose the fourth reich

I disagree.You say tornadoes cannot be predicted.This is irrelevant.

Tornadoes only happen under special circumstances.Disrupt those and it dissipates.I cannot understand why you cannot grasp this fact.You continue about using a sledgehammer which is not required.Why is that?

Have you heard of the butterfly effect?Have you heard of non-linear equations?

I have vision and boldness.I will be proved right in under 25 years or even less.When ,not if ,but when I am proved right I merely ask you and Chardman TO STAND IN PUBLIC ON A BUSY DAY AFTER ANNOUNCING YOU WERE WRONG and to eat your hats.Even if you do not wear a hat,get one.

 

[chardman]

Dude, you were wrong about dinos and mammoths coexisting and sharing DNA. You were wrong about computers not being able to parallel process. And I've no doubt that you're wrong about dissipating tornadoes with concert speakers.

You do not have vision and boldness. Rather, you have flights of fantasy and a lack of basic scientific and technological knowledge.

 

[Silvercrest]

I have vision and boldness. I will be proved right in under 25 years or even less.When ,not if ,but when I am proved right I merely ask you and Chardman TO STAND IN PUBLIC ON A BUSY DAY AFTER ANNOUNCING YOU WERE WRONG and to eat your hats.Even if you do not wear a hat,get one.

noknowes means that I am not arrogant

Okay.

 

[Amaris]

You seem to be suffering from a victim complex.I don't want to be a victim.Anyone's victim.Any thing's victim.

I don't want to die.

Nature is red in tooth and claw.It is a terrible struggle for survival.

When you look at a peaceful meadow it is life and death going on beneath the placid surface.

Chardman is saying it can't be done as it has not been done.Scientific validity changes all the time.You reasoning is dogmatic.

Now to the subject of dissipating a tornado. Talk about arogant. We can't accurately even predict exactly when and where or at what magnatude a tornado will hit. We are still at the early stages of understanding how the damn things work. To think we are even close to knowing how to impact one reliably is pretty out there. I'm sorry, but a couple sets of Marshal stacks aren't going to do it....even if we do turn it up to 11. For the time being, controlling the weather is something that will have to be left to science fiction writers.

I am very scared of nature which is extremley dangerous and can kill you easily.Example one moment of inattention on the stair,you stumble and fall,brain damage,coma,death,death,death.

noknowes means that I am not arrogant or usurpious.

Hitler will be cloned because Hitler can be cloned.The world is full of NaZiS
who worship him in their bedrooms every night.When he is cloned a massive natzi uprising will overthrow established governments o impose the fourth reich

I disagree.You say tornadoes cannot be predicted.This is irrelevant.

Tornadoes only happen under special circumstances.Disrupt those and it dissipates.I cannot understand why you cannot grasp this fact.You continue about using a sledgehammer which is not required.Why is that?

Have you heard of the butterfly effect?Have you heard of non-linear equations?

I have vision and boldness.I will be proved right in under 25 years or even less.When ,not if ,but when I am proved right I merely ask you and Chardman TO STAND IN PUBLIC ON A BUSY DAY AFTER ANNOUNCING YOU WERE WRONG and to eat your hats.Even if you do not wear a hat,get one.

You want boldness? One of my stormchasing team members climbed a flag pole in the middle of a lightning storm to grab an instrument pack before an F2 tornado arrived 15 minutes later. That son of a gun had balls of steel.

J.

 

[Alrik]

Which brings up another interesting story...


J.

Oh do tell. I have two more good ones that involve the same neighbors (our best friends). The running joke is, if there is a chance of storms and we're getting together, we know its going to get wicked.

Alright. I'll forego the one about the flagpole, the lightning storm and a very drunk stormchasing buddy, and tell you about the time our car was hit by lightning. That was interesting. We were driving up the interstate trying to head off a severe cell that had already produced an F1 tornado, and we had taken my dinky little '84 Ford Tempo. Well, we get up that way ahead of the storm and get into position with cameras and everything, and out of nowhere lightning strikes my car. We weren't next to it, and it made my friend mess his pants, but I thought it was hilarious. It totally killed the radio though, but I replaced it with a cassette deck.

That was the same car we drove through a very severe storm in Preble County, Ohio, and the windshield wipers failed, so I had to lean out the window with one of those super absorbent blue truck towels and wipe down the windshield every couple of seconds. The hail hurt then, too.

J.

Sounds like a great excuse for a stereo upgrade.

My lightning encounter happened when we went up to our friend's place for their son's b-day. I had just bought a near new Siverado ext cab Z71 LT, all Black. My friend and I were on his deck watching the storm come in when it started to hail. I didn't want a bunch of dents on my new truck so I was going to run it home and put it in the garage and he would follow to bring me back in his 'beater' pick up. I had just backed out of the drive when the first bolt hit about 100 feet away out in the field. Within about 2 seconds the next hit a neighbors outbuilding about 400 feet away. Within seconds from one another, as I was speeding towards the house, three more bolts hit. All were within 50 feet of my truck. It was like driving though a freakin war zone. We got back to their place and he and I were still laughing our asses off. Our wives, on the other hand, had watch the entire thing and both looked a little pale.

Next up: Tornados and the Indy 500...

 

[chardman]

noknowes means that I am not arrogant.

Ya sure?

I have vision and boldness.

Sounds pretty darn arrogant to me.

I am very scared of nature...

Doesn't sound very bold to me.



And lest we forget these choice nuggets:

I hear dinosaur dna trapped in amber could be used to resurrect Mammoths.

I guess ya heard wrong.

I don't understand the mirth about dinosaurs dna being used to create mammoths.Mammoths are dinosaur related.

So incredibly wrong that no further comment is required.

But mammoths lived alongside dinosaurs.Explain that.

You're only off by about 65 million years.

I am afraid computer processing is sequential and therefore it can never attain sentience. --- Parallel processing in the human brain is what makes us sentient.

Except that super computers have been parallel processing since the 80s and home PCs have been capable of it for nearly a decade.

And the noknowes cavalcade of fail continues unabated.

 

[Silvercrest]

But mammoths lived alongside dinosaurs.Explain that.

You're only off by about 65 million years.

As I've said before: noknowes must be correct. If his statement is wrong, it will mess up the entire canon of "The Flintstones."

 

[chardman]

^Yup. I figuring that Hanna-Barbara is probably directly responsible for the vast bulk of noknowes' historic, scientific and technological "knowledge".

 

[Amaris]

Sounds like a great excuse for a stereo upgrade.

My lightning encounter happened when we went up to our friend's place for their son's b-day. I had just bought a near new Siverado ext cab Z71 LT, all Black. My friend and I were on his deck watching the storm come in when it started to hail. I didn't want a bunch of dents on my new truck so I was going to run it home and put it in the garage and he would follow to bring me back in his 'beater' pick up. I had just backed out of the drive when the first bolt hit about 100 feet away out in the field. Within about 2 seconds the next hit a neighbors outbuilding about 400 feet away. Within seconds from one another, as I was speeding towards the house, three more bolts hit. All were within 50 feet of my truck. It was like driving though a freakin war zone. We got back to their place and he and I were still laughing our asses off. Our wives, on the other hand, had watch the entire thing and both looked a little pale.

Next up: Tornados and the Indy 500...

Fantastic! I would have loved to have been along for the ride.


J.

 

[Alrik]

But mammoths lived alongside dinosaurs.Explain that.

You're only off by about 65 million years.

As I've said before: noknowes must be correct. If his statement is wrong, it will mess up the entire canon of "The Flintstones."

You owe me one keyboard.

 

[Alrik]

Fantastic! I would have loved to have been along for the ride.


J.

It was pretty damn cool. Flash/BANG...Flash/BANG...Flash/BANG.

Indy might have been the best of them all. The four of us took our Motor Home to the Indianapolis 500. We were set up in the camp ground across from the track. During the race, we had no clue weather was in the area. A heavy rain started that brought out the Red Flag, then all of a sudden the Sirens started to go off. The PA Announcer told everyone to take cover under the stands. 350,000 people scrambling for cover...what a sight. Nothing came of it though and the sun even came back out and they got the race in. Now for some perspective, do a search for Speedway Indiana and take a look at a map to get an idea just how big this place is, if you haven't been there before.

Just after the race was over, and the masses were filing out, the rains started up again. We really didn't mind because it was a warm rain and we had gotten pretty hot with the sun being out for a couple of hours. We get outside of the fence (away from the concrete safety of the stands and tunnels) and begin our trek up Georgetown to the camp site. The rain starts to pick up and the sirens start to go off again. Keep in mind, one of the ways we kept "hydrated" throughout the day was with the help of adult 'Pops'. My friend's wife looks at me and says "Oh shit! What are we going to do now?!" I just smiled and said, "Keep walking. If all else fails, there's a ditch up ahead where the creek runs through. Lowest point in the area. Want a T-Shirt?" Her freaked out look turned to 'what the fuck'??? I kid you not, there was a guy still hawking t-shirts just ahead. I bought both of us one...still have it to this day. But it really did calm her down.

We got back to the motor home and turned on the tv to find out that either 3 or 4 tornados had touched down in the general area of the track and were moving off, but nothing within the track or at the camp ground. But to be honest. A lot of people, including us, got really lucky that day. That was the one time where I was in a situation with no way to prepare, and pretty much no where to go. If it would have hit the parking areas, camp grounds, or any of the gridlocked streets, it would have been really ugly. That being said, when the sirens went off, my initial reaction was 'its going to be, what its going to be. Not much I could do about it'.

Which, ironically, comes full circle right back to the topic of this thread. If you think you can controll 'mother nature', at least with today's tech, you're and idiot. Theory is one thing, but nature likes to throw curve balls and it doesn't always play by what are thought to be the rules. But what sends some running to hide from what they see as danger and doom, draws others of us out to witness it's awesome power and beauty.

 

[Amaris]

Fantastic! I would have loved to have been along for the ride.


J.

It was pretty damn cool. Flash/BANG...Flash/BANG...Flash/BANG.

Indy might have been the best of them all. The four of us took our Motor Home to the Indianapolis 500. We were set up in the camp ground across from the track. During the race, we had no clue weather was in the area. A heavy rain started that brought out the Red Flag, then all of a sudden the Sirens started to go off. The PA Announcer told everyone to take cover under the stands. 350,000 people scrambling for cover...what a sight. Nothing came of it though and the sun even came back out and they got the race in. Now for some perspective, do a search for Speedway Indiana and take a look at a map to get an idea just how big this place is, if you haven't been there before.

Just after the race was over, and the masses were filing out, the rains started up again. We really didn't mind because it was a warm rain and we had gotten pretty hot with the sun being out for a couple of hours. We get outside of the fence (away from the concrete safety of the stands and tunnels) and begin our trek up Georgetown to the camp site. The rain starts to pick up and the sirens start to go off again. Keep in mind, one of the ways we kept "hydrated" throughout the day was with the help of adult 'Pops'. My friend's wife looks at me and says "Oh shit! What are we going to do now?!" I just smiled and said, "Keep walking. If all else fails, there's a ditch up ahead where the creek runs through. Lowest point in the area. Want a T-Shirt?" Her freaked out look turned to 'what the fuck'??? I kid you not, there was a guy still hawking t-shirts just ahead. I bought both of us one...still have it to this day. But it really did calm her down.

We got back to the motor home and turned on the tv to find out that either 3 or 4 tornados had touched down in the general area of the track and were moving off, but nothing within the track or at the camp ground. But to be honest. A lot of people, including us, got really lucky that day. That was the one time where I was in a situation with no way to prepare, and pretty much no where to go. If it would have hit the parking areas, camp grounds, or any of the gridlocked streets, it would have been really ugly. That being said, when the sirens went off, my initial reaction was 'its going to be, what its going to be. Not much I could do about it'.

Which, ironically, comes full circle right back to the topic of this thread. If you think you can controll 'mother nature', at least with today's tech, you're and idiot. Theory is one thing, but nature likes to throw curve balls and it doesn't always play by what are thought to be the rules. But what sends some running to hide from what they see as danger and doom, draws others of us out to witness it's awesome power and beauty.

That's not fair. I have to go chase my tornadoes. Yours come to you!
Oh, and nice bit of work keeping the young lady calm. People can totally freak out in a severe weather event, making a dangerous situation just that much more unpredictable.


J.

 

[Silvercrest]

You're only off by about 65 million years.

As I've said before: noknowes must be correct. If his statement is wrong, it will mess up the entire canon of "The Flintstones."

You owe me one keyboard.

My work here is done.

 

[noknowes]

^Yup. I figuring that Hanna-Barbara is probably directly responsible for the vast bulk of noknowes' historic, scientific and technological "knowledge".

You can laugh all you like.Someone at this moment will be reading this.It will inspire him/her.They will to take the first few steps to taming and destroying tornadoes.You mark my words.It will be only be a matter of time.Even you know deep down I am right.This is why you declined my challenge to eat your hat in public.

 

[Amaris]

^Yup. I figuring that Hanna-Barbara is probably directly responsible for the vast bulk of noknowes' historic, scientific and technological "knowledge".

You can laugh all you like.Someone at this moment will be reading this.It will inspire him/her.They will to take the first few steps to taming and destroying tornadoes.You mark my words.It will be only be a matter of time.Even you know deep down I am right.This is why you declined my challenge to eat your hat in public.

Nope.


J.

 

[chardman]

No such challenge was ever made. At least not to me.

And many variations of this brilliant idea of yours has already been tried, decades ago, and didn't have any measurable impact. They've tried using amplified tones of varying frequencies to disrupt tornadoes, fired canons into them, and dropped explosive charges into them, all in an attempt to disrupt tornadoes.

The only technique thus put forward in this thread that has any chance of working, is using microwaves to heat the falling cold air in these storms, to eliminate the down-draft that helps funnel clouds to form. And projecting the intensity and volume of microwaves necessary to disrupt even a minor storm, would most likely be far too dangerous to consider using the device anywhere near human habitation.

Sorry noknowledge, but you haven't yet contributed a single idea to this whole forum that hasn't been filled with info that was just plain laughably wrong.

Even Oponda2009's contributions are more factual and coherient than yours, and were pretty sure that Oponda's a bot that reflexively spits out pre-programmed comments (appropriate or not) in response to select keywords.

 

[noknowes]

No such challenge was ever made. At least not to me.

And many variations of this brilliant idea of yours has already been tried, decades ago, and didn't have any measurable impact. They've tried using amplified tones of varying frequencies to disrupt tornadoes, fired canons into them, and dropped explosive charges into them, all in an attempt to disrupt tornadoes.

Where are your sources?

In any case decades ago a lot less was known.Technology was primitive.

The challenge was made.