Destroying Tornadoes

[noknowes]

"There are REASONS that some people are not engineers. Unfortunately, they have the Internet...."

If you are an engineer you must be be out of touch as look at this:-

http://www.nextnature.net/?p=2113

we could use modified versions of these to destroy tornadoes.

They could be mounted on the back of trucks or even stationed around towns.

They are cheap and could disrupt the flow conditions.Tornadoes require delicate conditions.I would urge you to take this suggestion seriously and save the many lives that are lost and the billions in damages.So I ask you to please stop attacking me and do the work to implement.Maybe you know someone a friend of a friend who could implement or start implementing.

 

[chardman]

we could use modified versions of these to destroy tornadoes.

No. We couldn't. In fact, even in the article you posted, it says that there's no scientific agreement that these devices are even capable of doing what they're designed to do (prevent hailstorms), let alone being used to stop tornadoes as well. There's nothing in the article that even hints at such an application.

That's a usage that originates exclusively in your own imagination. And why should we trust that? You don't exactly have a very reassuring track record when it comes to your beliefs having any scientific validity.

Let me remind you that you believe: that dinosaurs and mammoths that were contemporaries with interchangeable DNA; that human cloning would inevitably lead to an army of Hitler clones; and that modern computers are incapable of parallel processing, even though virtually all modern computers do just that.

.I would urge you to take this suggestion seriously...

Why? If it's anywhere on par with your other scientific fantasies, why should anyone take this idea seriously?

So I ask you to please stop attacking me and do the work to implement.

I'll gladly stop attacking your positions, just as soon as you post something that doesn't deserve to be attacked.

 

[Alrik]

Many Americans suffer from Tornadoes every years.
Homes lost or destroyed.Have you no pity at all for these victims?

Well most of us who live in 'Tornado Alley' have this very 'hush, hush' option in place just in case the worst should happen. It's called a Homeowners Insurance Policy.

I'm not making light of tornados, a year ago yesterday an EF-5 wiped 2/3s of a town, about an hour from here, off of the map. The thing is, the news last night showed how the town was doing a year later. I'd been through Parkersburg before the storm. I don't remeber seeing all those big new houses there.

Its called nature, and there's not much you can do about it. In the Mid West we deal with Tornados and Blizzards. Last year we even found out how much fun historic flooding can be. Go out West and you have Earth Quakes and Wild Fires. There's even the chance of Tsunami. The mountains have Blizzards. The Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard have Huricanes. No where is perfectly safe. Besides, how much fun would it be if it were.

I'm with J. I love chasing storms....and Mega Maid rocks.

Oh....concert speakers??!!

PUH LEEZE!

 

[chardman]

I bet that speaker idea would work, if we strapped 'em to the backs of mammoths cloned from dino blood... or was that Hitler's blood? I don't remember. Not that it matters. I figure that Hitler was around in the age of the dinosaurs, though to be sure you'd really have to ask noknowes, as he's apparently the expert on that kind of thing. But definitely speakers on mammoths, so they're, you know, portable.

 

[Amaris]

Many Americans suffer from Tornadoes every years.
Homes lost or destroyed.Have you no pity at all for these victims?

Well most of us who live in 'Tornado Alley' have this very 'hush, hush' option in place just in case the worst should happen. It's called a Homeowners Insurance Policy.

I'm not making light of tornados, a year ago yesterday an EF-5 wiped 2/3s of a town, about an hour from here, off of the map. The thing is, the news last night showed how the town was doing a year later. I'd been through Parkersburg before the storm. I don't remeber seeing all those big new houses there.

Its called nature, and there's not much you can do about it. In the Mid West we deal with Tornados and Blizzards. Last year we even found out how much fun historic flooding can be. Go out West and you have Earth Quakes and Wild Fires. There's even the chance of Tsunami. The mountains have Blizzards. The Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard have Huricanes. No where is perfectly safe. Besides, how much fun would it be if it were.

I'm with J. I love chasing storms....and Mega Maid rocks.

Oh....concert speakers??!!

PUH LEEZE!

What's the largest tornado you've ever encountered personally?
For me it was an F-3. Ripped through a cornfield we were standing in. It was incredible.

J.

 

[urbandk]

this thread is full of lulz. thx.

 

[noknowes]

Many Americans suffer from Tornadoes every years.
Homes lost or destroyed.Have you no pity at all for these victims?

Well most of us who live in 'Tornado Alley' have this very 'hush, hush' option in place just in case the worst should happen. It's called a Homeowners Insurance Policy.

I'm not making light of tornados, a year ago yesterday an EF-5 wiped 2/3s of a town, about an hour from here, off of the map. The thing is, the news last night showed how the town was doing a year later. I'd been through Parkersburg before the storm. I don't remeber seeing all those big new houses there.

Its called nature, and there's not much you can do about it. In the Mid West we deal with Tornados and Blizzards. Last year we even found out how much fun historic flooding can be. Go out West and you have Earth Quakes and Wild Fires. There's even the chance of Tsunami. The mountains have Blizzards.

You seem to be suffering from a victim complex.I don't want to be a victim.Anyone's victim.Any thing's victim.

I don't want to die.

Nature is red in tooth and claw.It is a terrible struggle for survival.

When you look at a peaceful meadow it is life and death going on beneath the placid surface.

Chardman is saying it can't be done as it has not been done.Scientific validity changes all the time.You reasoning is dogmatic.

 

[chardman]

^Nah, he's saying "shit happens". He's accepting of reality, and exhibits no fear of it. He's not a victim. You're the one who suffers from a victim complex, and sees nature as something that's out to get you, and which must therefore be controlled or destroyed.

Now about those mammoths...? Hitler clones...? Retarded computers...?

 

[noknowes]

^Nah, he's saying "shit happens". He's accepting of reality, and exhibits no fear of it. He's not a victim. You're the one who suffers from a victim complex, and sees nature as something that's out to get you, and which must therefore be controlled or destroyed.

Now about those mammoths...? Hitler clones...? Retarded computers...?

Dna is interchangeable.it is just a template on to which bits can be tacked on or removed to change the output product so your attacks are baseless.

Hitkler clones will be a reality soon.You wait and see.

Computers cannot hold more then one thought at a time they are serial processing based.

Neural networks could be different.

Chardman is saying it can't be done as it has not been done.Scientific validity changes all the time.You reasoning is dogmatic. __________<________

i see you have evaded your own error.

 

[Alrik]

What's the largest tornado you've ever encountered personally?
For me it was an F-3. Ripped through a cornfield we were standing in. It was incredible.

J.

That sounds pretty damn cool.

I tried to get up close and personal with an F-2, but it was rain wrapped and I was to its East, so I had to break it off before I ended up driving right into it or something just as fun. I'm hoping to go on an actual extended chase after my daughter graduates in 4 years.

 

[Amaris]

What's the largest tornado you've ever encountered personally?
For me it was an F-3. Ripped through a cornfield we were standing in. It was incredible.

J.

That sounds pretty damn cool.

I tried to get up close and personal with an F-2, but it was rain wrapped and I was to its East, so I had to break it off before I ended up driving right into it or something just as fun. I'm hoping to go on an actual extended chase after my daughter graduates in 4 years.

Nice.

Yeah, that was a great moment for me. The only problem was it killed all of our equipment (which, granted was only a couple of cameras and a camcorder). Hail hurts a lot.

J.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I like the idea of having hundreds of explosives left in the path of the tornado so when the tornado goes over them they all get sucked into the twister, as they all starting spinning within and get spread out someone pushes the detonator and blows them all up. The resulting explosion throughout the tornado will disrupt it so it dissipates.

Yeah, right!

Someone forgot to tell them that a tornado contains the energy of a small nuclear weapon. Any explosion large enough to actually stop a tornado from striking a populated area would do more damage than the tornado. Tachy's idea (as usual) is even crazier, as he's added dangerous projectile explosive devices that will be picked up and hurled miles away in every direction. And you might as well throw firecrackers into it for all the good a bunch of little explosions would do. Do 1000 firecrackers blow up an M1A1 any better then one firecracker?

Even if you did manage to track, target and successfully detonate a large enough explosion to disrupt a tornado momentarily (killing everyone within a mile no doubt), it would reform almost instantly. It's like a whirlpool that forms when two rivers merge; You could disrupt the whirlpool for a moment by tossing a stick of dynamite into it but the in-rushing water would reform it almost instantly. So unless anyone knows of a bomb large enough to disrupt 10 cubic miles of air space without killing everyone in the county and irradiating a storm cell....

People have already thought about doing this. In fact, they've tested it on a small scale in labs. It just isn't practical. Not with explosives anyway, maybe in the future we'll have some kind of electromagnetic weather control, I don't know. Though such a system would likely have to stop a tornado from forming in the first place; once they start they contain an awful lot of energy. More than "concert loudspeakers". Man where do you guys come up with this!?

People talk about stopping hurricanes too, never mind that a hurricane like Katrina would eat up a dozen 10 megaton nukes and burp them out like breakfast. AND we'd irradiate the hurricane with fallout in the process.

What if we drop tons and tons of ICE CUBES into the tornado?

Rob

 

[Alrik]

What's the largest tornado you've ever encountered personally?
For me it was an F-3. Ripped through a cornfield we were standing in. It was incredible.

J.

That sounds pretty damn cool.

I tried to get up close and personal with an F-2, but it was rain wrapped and I was to its East, so I had to break it off before I ended up driving right into it or something just as fun. I'm hoping to go on an actual extended chase after my daughter graduates in 4 years.

Nice.

Yeah, that was a great moment for me. The only problem was it killed all of our equipment (which, granted was only a couple of cameras and a camcorder). Hail hurts a lot.

J.

Sucks that you lost equipment, but I'd gladly trade it to get that close. Other than the rain wrapped one I tried to chace, we've had a few close calls right at home. We are on an acreage in the country and have seen some action. Last summer we had one pass 2 miles to the north at night. I couldn't see it from my place, but I was on the phone with my neighbor up the hill. He was on his deck telling me about the pressure changes he felt when lightning struck and he could see it plain as day. All I heard was "Oh SHIT!. Time to get down stairs."

Another time we watched a defined funnel with solid rotaion approach from the south west. The speed was increasing as it got closer, and it kept getting lower. But it didn't end up dropping for another three miles. All we got was straight line winds.

The best/worst was a few years ago. We spent an evening out with the same neighbors and came home to find trees down and our garage door blown in. But we got off easy. We went up to their place to find their shingles gone, garage door blown in, and half of the north wall of their garage out in the cornfield. Found out an F-1 had come through. It tried to take their roof, but the huricane straps held.


Rob

Not so sure about the 'ice cube' idea. See the aforementioned "Hail hurts".

 

[Amaris]

That sounds pretty damn cool.

I tried to get up close and personal with an F-2, but it was rain wrapped and I was to its East, so I had to break it off before I ended up driving right into it or something just as fun. I'm hoping to go on an actual extended chase after my daughter graduates in 4 years.

Nice.

Yeah, that was a great moment for me. The only problem was it killed all of our equipment (which, granted was only a couple of cameras and a camcorder). Hail hurts a lot.

J.

Sucks that you lost equipment, but I'd gladly trade it to get that close. Other than the rain wrapped one I tried to chace, we've had a few close calls right at home. We are on an acreage in the country and have seen some action. Last summer we had one pass 2 miles to the north at night. I couldn't see it from my place, but I was on the phone with my neighbor up the hill. He was on his deck telling me about the pressure changes he felt when lightning struck and he could see it plain as day. All I heard was "Oh SHIT!. Time to get down stairs."

Another time we watched a defined funnel with solid rotaion approach from the south west. The speed was increasing as it got closer, and it kept getting lower. But it didn't end up dropping for another three miles. All we got was straight line winds.

The best/worst was a few years ago. We spent an evening out with the same neighbors and came home to find trees down and our garage door blown in. But we got off easy. We went up to their place to find their shingles gone, garage door blown in, and half of the north wall of their garage out in the cornfield. Found out an F-1 had come through. It tried to take their roof, but the huricane straps held.


Rob

Not so sure about the 'ice cube' idea. See the aforementioned "Hail hurts".

Great experience! We've encountered our fair share of funnel clouds that do nothing but beat the hell out of you with straightline winds. I'm glad your friends and you were safe, though. Although to be fair, I've always told people, that you shouldn't be worried about a severe storm until you see me hauling ass toward a basement, because if you do, you better get ahead of me because that means it's right behind me and I got too damn close!

J.

 

[Alrik]

Great experience! We've encountered our fair share of funnel clouds that do nothing but beat the hell out of you with straightline winds. I'm glad your friends and you were safe, though. Although to be fair, I've always told people, that you shouldn't be worried about a severe storm until you see me hauling ass toward a basement, because if you do, you better get ahead of me because that means it's right behind me and I got too damn close!

J.

Way too funny. Sounds like you were describing me...and my wife isn't much better. Our basement is more of a lower level with the south end being a walk out. As we were tracking the funnel coming in, my wife was at one of the sliding glass doors with the camcorder and I was next to her with the camera. As the straightline wind came up, and the glass started to bow, we just stepped off to the side.

Gee. do ya think that means I'm suffering from noknowes 'victim complex'?

(still debating if that victim complex post is even worth responding to. )

 

[chardman]

I'm assuming that the name noknowes is short for noknowledge....Right? It's a joke, right? Your posts are a joke, and your screen name was chosen as a hint of your facetiousness? Right? Please?

However, on the off chance that you aren't joking, and really are as igno... er... uninformed as you appear to be, I present the following:

Chardman is saying it can't be done as it has not been done.

No, in the case of parallel processing in computers, I'm saying it can be done, as it has already been done. For quite some time now.

From Wiki LINK

Parallel Processing in Computers

The simultaneous use of more than one CPU or processor core to execute a program or multiple computational threads. Ideally, parallel processing makes programs run faster because there are more engines (CPUs or cores) running it. - Most computers have just one CPU, but some models have several, and multi-core processor chips are becoming the norm. There are even computers with thousands of CPUs.

Computers with multiple processors, capable of parallel processing have existed since the late 1980s (the CRAY T3 series is a prime example), while multiple processors for home computers have been around since the turn of the millennium (the AMD64-architecture microprocessor produced by AMD being a perfect example).

On to other matters...

Your assertion (LINK) that a mammoth could be cloned from dinosaur DNA is patently false, as is your later assertion that these animals were contemporaries (Dinos became extinct about 65 million years before mammoths walked the Earth).

While all DNA uses the same basic template (the Double Helix is the template), that doesn't mean that all DNA is interchangeable. You cannot clone a mammoth from dino DNA any more than you could clone a human using the DNA of a fish. Your assertions to the contrary requires proof of some kind.

And please explain why, exactly, you believe that human cloning will inevitably lead to someone cloning Hitler?

 

[Amaris]

Great experience! We've encountered our fair share of funnel clouds that do nothing but beat the hell out of you with straightline winds. I'm glad your friends and you were safe, though. Although to be fair, I've always told people, that you shouldn't be worried about a severe storm until you see me hauling ass toward a basement, because if you do, you better get ahead of me because that means it's right behind me and I got too damn close!

J.

Way too funny. Sounds like you were describing me...and my wife isn't much better. Our basement is more of a lower level with the south end being a walk out. As we were tracking the funnel coming in, my wife was at one of the sliding glass doors with the camcorder and I was next to her with the camera. As the straightline wind came up, and the glass started to bow, we just stepped off to the side.

Gee. do ya think that means I'm suffering from noknowes 'victim complex'?

(still debating if that victim complex post is even worth responding to. )

Wow we sound a lot alike!
I was getting pelted in the head with hail balls as big as nickels and quarters and I just kept trying to take pictures. Stupid cameras, why can't they all be waterproof and tornado resistant!?

J.

 

[Michael_One]

Isn't it obvious? A tornado has a 'funnel', right? What stops up funnels?

Corks!!

What we need is a giant cork with wheels and jet engines so it can go 200 mph and intercept tornadoes. Super Cork would be 500 feet wide and 100 feet tall, it would have a big dozer blade to deal with obstacles like houses, towns, and cities. I'm sure people would be proud to have their towns flattened so other people would be safe, though I think Wal Marts would spontaneously regenerate.

Lets see... with those dimensions and cork massing about 35 pounds a cubic foot... that only comes out to about 110,000 tons... rough estimate to cruise at 200 mph works out to 64 billion pounds of thrust... okay make that lots of jet engines, about 800,000 of the latest model CF-6's. That's gonna keep GE busy crankin' 'em out! I imagine you'd have to slow down when plowing up civilization but you'd save time over going around.

Oh, and to protect the entire Midwest, we'll need a thousand Super Corks... the volume discount will help when it comes time to pay for them ( a rough guess being 1.8* 10^11 dollars each, a grand total of one and three quarter hundred trillion dollars).

Whatever your other complaints about my proposal, its at least mildly scientifically thought out.

 

[Alrik]

Many Americans suffer from Tornadoes every years.
Homes lost or destroyed.Have you no pity at all for these victims?

Well most of us who live in 'Tornado Alley' have this very 'hush, hush' option in place just in case the worst should happen. It's called a Homeowners Insurance Policy.

I'm not making light of tornados, a year ago yesterday an EF-5 wiped 2/3s of a town, about an hour from here, off of the map. The thing is, the news last night showed how the town was doing a year later. I'd been through Parkersburg before the storm. I don't remeber seeing all those big new houses there.

Its called nature, and there's not much you can do about it. In the Mid West we deal with Tornados and Blizzards. Last year we even found out how much fun historic flooding can be. Go out West and you have Earth Quakes and Wild Fires. There's even the chance of Tsunami. The mountains have Blizzards.

You seem to be suffering from a victim complex.I don't want to be a victim.Anyone's victim.Any thing's victim.

I don't want to die.

Nature is red in tooth and claw.It is a terrible struggle for survival.

When you look at a peaceful meadow it is life and death going on beneath the placid surface.

Chardman is saying it can't be done as it has not been done.Scientific validity changes all the time.You reasoning is dogmatic.

Okay, I'll play...just cuz I'm in the mood today. Victim Complex? Just where in the hell did that come from? Whatever the meds, please do share. For the life of me, I can't see anywhere in my post that would lead one to believe that I feel like a victim. If anything, it just points to the fact that I am a realist and understand the dangers that nature posesses. I point out that no place is 100% safe from the whims of planet Earth. Most of us, at least those of us with a level head and the ability to reason, do a risk/benefit analysis of where we choose to live. We understand what the risks are and how to be protect ourselves from them.

Victim? Bullshit. If anything, I am proactive in keeping my family and myself out of harms way so that we won't become victims. In the winter, should a blizzard or ice storm hit and power is lost, the wood is split and at the ready for the fireplace and the water jugs are filled so that the toilets will flush. Come spring and summer its simply a case of keeping an eye towards the sky. If I see a super cell forming with a wall cloud, I know it is best to try to get to the south of the storm. I'm sure as hell not going to head north east (unless I'm chasing it ). And should the worst case happen and my home is suddenly gone, as long as my family is safe, I'm still not going to play the victim. I will simply wait for the check to come from my homeowners policy and rebuild a bigger, better home. I'm a believer that fortune favors the prepaired mind.

Now to the subject of dissipating a tornado. Talk about arogant. We can't accurately even predict exactly when and where or at what magnatude a tornado will hit. We are still at the early stages of understanding how the damn things work. To think we are even close to knowing how to impact one reliably is pretty out there. I'm sorry, but a couple sets of Marshal stacks aren't going to do it....even if we do turn it up to 11. For the time being, controlling the weather is something that will have to be left to science fiction writers.

 

[Alrik]

Great experience! We've encountered our fair share of funnel clouds that do nothing but beat the hell out of you with straightline winds. I'm glad your friends and you were safe, though. Although to be fair, I've always told people, that you shouldn't be worried about a severe storm until you see me hauling ass toward a basement, because if you do, you better get ahead of me because that means it's right behind me and I got too damn close!

J.

Way too funny. Sounds like you were describing me...and my wife isn't much better. Our basement is more of a lower level with the south end being a walk out. As we were tracking the funnel coming in, my wife was at one of the sliding glass doors with the camcorder and I was next to her with the camera. As the straightline wind came up, and the glass started to bow, we just stepped off to the side.

Gee. do ya think that means I'm suffering from noknowes 'victim complex'?

(still debating if that victim complex post is even worth responding to. )

Wow we sound a lot alike!
I was getting pelted in the head with hail balls as big as nickels and quarters and I just kept trying to take pictures. Stupid cameras, why can't they all be waterproof and tornado resistant!?

J.

Maybe its time to look into snorkeling gear. A friend of mine found a site where you can get water proof clear cases for a lot of different brands/models of cameras. Only problem is, I'm not sure if they are shock proof.