Destroying Caretaker array after getting home first?

[Prax]

They should at least be using GFI breakers. Apparently the NEC doesn't survive the 21st century.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I read a novel where some ###k is laughing at star ship design, asking where's the microcircuitry, and i think it was Uhura who says that the modular macro circuits used on the bridge means that they can replace entire systems in seconds during a battle instead of diddling around with itty bitty screw drivers.

 

[jmidnight_99]

I read a novel where some ###k is laughing at star ship design, asking where's the microcircuitry, and i think it was Uhura who says that the modular macro circuits used on the bridge means that they can replace entire systems in seconds during a battle instead of diddling around with itty bitty screw drivers.

We can only wonder what "circuits" will look like in 400 years. To get some perspective, look at the "computers" in TOS. They had no idea what would be used for input or output. They couldn't even fathom an LCD screen or keyboard, they thought computers would have rows of blinking lights! This is where we were in our childhood. We now have computers in our pockets that have more processing power than what landed us on the moon.

I'm a computer scientist, and the one of the big buzz words besides "AI" these days is "quantum computing".

"Quantum computing is essentially harnessing and exploiting the laws of quantum mechanics to process information. Traditional computers store information as a string of "bits" (which actually are numbers expressed in binary)."

A lot of people don't understand this, but computers manipulate binary numbers. Lay people can be taught to understand binary in a few days.

"In binary, a bit can either be "on" or "off". But, in quantum computing, "qubits" can be in multiple states at the same time — that is, something can be “here” and “there,” or “up” and “down” or "on" and "off" at the same time."

Who the hell understands THIS? I can't make sense of it, let alone figure a practical use, and I'm in the field. We have NO idea where we are going to be in 300 years. But the one thing I'm sure of, where we are now will be rocks and bones and sticks to them.

 

[Prax]

They had tablets on TOS, though.

 

[jmidnight_99]

They had tablets on TOS, though.

Kinda. Looked more like a thick clipboard with paper on it, but I'll give you that.

 

[fireproof78]

"In binary, a bit can either be "on" or "off". But, in quantum computing, "qubits" can be in multiple states at the same time — that is, something can be “here” and “there,” or “up” and “down” or "on" and "off" at the same time."

Hmmm...I mean, I don't really understand it totally, but it might be helpful in allowing for more problem solving capabilities. Having multiple states could mean that the information system could be programed to behave one way based on the on and another way based upon the down, plus a third way with here/off/up.

Maybe...

 

[Wendall]

Allow me to explain:

Voyager's presence in the Delta Quadrant was no accident. They were stranded there intentionally. Captain Janeway and Tuvok were involved in a Federation conspiracy. They were in collusion with the Caretaker and possibly the Cardassians to establish a military presence in the Delta Quadrant. In the months before Voyager's arrival, Neelix recorded the appearance of fifty two vessels, including a Cardassian warship. A remarkable coincidence. Only days before Voyager's arrival, the Cardassians were already in the Delta Quadrant. Neelix's sensors indicated that the ship vanished. Obviously, it was returned to the Alpha Quadrant. Why? The Cardassians were sent back to deliver strategic information regarding the Delta Quadrant.

At the same time the Cardassians were meeting with the Caretaker, Chakotay's Maquis vessel was infiltrated with a Starfleet agent, Tuvok. He guided the ship to prearranged coordinates in the Badlands, where the Caretaker locked onto it. Once they were pulled into the Delta Quadrant, Tuvok secretly transmitted final instructions to the Caretaker. A short time later, Captain Janeway guided Voyager to the same coordinates and was also pulled into the Delta Quadrant. All of these events took place within a matter of days.

Janeway told the crew that she destroyed the array so the Kazon couldn't use it to attack the Ocampa, but she intended to remain in the Delta Quadrant all along. If the Array had remained intact, the crew would have insisted on using it to return home.
Janeway ordered Commander Tuvok to destroy the array. He fired two tricobalt devices, weapons not normally carried on Federation Starships. Neither phasers nor torpedoes are capable of creating a tear in subspace. A tricobalt device is. As Tuvok detonated the device, a cloaked ship locked on to one of the array's tetryon reactors and pushed it through the tear into subspace, protecting it from the blast and hiding it from Voyager's sensors. But the Captain and Tuvok knew exactly where it was going. Once Voyager left the area, the reactor was retrieved and began a similar journey, carried by a series of vessels until it was finally delivered to Mister Tash, who used it to build the catapult, and waited for Voyager, and for the final phase of the mission. Captain Janeway planned to use the catapult to bring in more vessels from the Alpha Quadrant; a Federation-Cardassian invasion force.

Stardate 51008, Captain Janeway allows Kes to leave Voyager. Neelix said that Kes had suspicions about the Caretaker. Was the captain trying to silence her?
Stardate 51462, the Doctor's program is transmitted to a Starfleet vessel on the outskirts of the Alpha Quadrant. An attempt by Janeway to contact Earth or a secret communiqué informing Starfleet of her progress?
Stardate 50984, Janeway forges an alliance with the Borg.
Stardate 51762, a cease-fire with the Hirogen.
Stardate 52861, a non-aggression pact with the Terkellians. She called each incident diplomacy, but she was trying to establish a tactical infrastructure in the Delta Quadrant. Captain Janeway altered course 263 times in the name of exploration. In reality, she was mapping the region and collecting strategic data.

The Voyager Conspiracy (as a concept) not the episode itself always kind of bothered me. Why did Voyager have tri cobalt devices especially in shakedown. Is there any other reference of a starfleet ship ever having em? I’m pretty sure weapons like that are banned by the second kitomer accords, (damages to subspace) and Tuvok did set the charges to twice there yield. And I’m gonna have to watch the episode again,but was the tractor beam she seen ever explained? (I do remember that guy with the catapult had a similar power source,but unsure about if it was the same tetryon reactor. I’m rambling here,but that episode showed us janeway and chakotay believed all that circumstantial evidence enough to think both their lives were in danger (phaser carrying,not standard procedure) all in all,I personally think the way they explained it as an alcove malfunction, and it was a conspiracy blown out of proportion ,is exactly how they handle “conspiracy” theories in our real world. Come up with a basic rational to explain it all away. Time frame of voyager launch would coincide with the height of borg paranoia and preparedness,and it wouldn’t be crazy to think voyager was sent to the delta quadrant somehow some way. Thoughts about the validity of “the Voyager Conspiracy” as a concept?

 

[jmidnight_99]

if I were to rank it with Tasha's death, or Jadzia's death, I'd say Kes comes out slightly ahead.

In Fury, Kes says that she wanted to go back to Ocampa, but she knew they would be frightened by her, and wouldn't understand her, so she tried to go back a different way. If you read the production notes for the episode, the writer wanted to put a twist on a conventional, predictable feel good conclusion to Kes. It's meant to be a more dystopian answer to "What happens when you gain magical powers"

But she didn't gain any powers. The abilities the Ocampa always had re-emerged in her. Apparently, when the caretaker began taking care of them, they lost their abilities... but that makes no sense. When the caretaker accidentally damaged their world, they should have been able to heal it themselves with all that power.

Don't forget when they bumped into those offworld Ocampa they had the same abilities.

Please tell me if I'm missing something. Nothing about Kes, the Ocamp and "Fury" made a lick of sense.to me. I chocked it all up to a character that did not fill the part the creators originally intended., with an implausible background that left the writers grasping at things for her to do..

 

[Anwar]

Being brought to the Ocampa world damaged the ship and killed part of the crew. Being sent back the same way would've done the same.

Also, it would have taken hours to get the Array working right to send them back. Hours they'd be under nonstop assault from the Kazon and likely be dead by then.

Really, what the plot should've done was explain it was the Caretaker's natural power boosted by the Array that brought them there and he was just too weak to send them back before he died.

As in, once they were there....that was it. No immediate way back.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Tuvok said he'd found the device that would send them home but it would take several hours to activate, at which point Janeway asks the Caretaker for help (or words to that effect), but seeing as he dies mere minutes afterwards then its no guarantee he'd have lived long enough to activate the technology. Just before he passes the Kazon mothership arrives which is too much for Voyager and the Val Jean to deal with, and have no way of knowing how many others are in the area, so during the hours they need to get the device working they could have dozens of other Kazon ships of all sizes surrounding them and not even Voyager's plot armour could survive that. But if they miraculously did are they just going to abduct Neelix and Kes or are they just going to drop them off in the midst of a battleground which is about to be the focal point of a massive explosion?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Being brought to the Ocampa world damaged the ship and killed part of the crew. Being sent back the same way would've done the same.

Also, it would have taken hours to get the Array working right to send them back. Hours they'd be under nonstop assault from the Kazon and likely be dead by then.

Really, what the plot should've done was explain it was the Caretaker's natural power boosted by the Array that brought them there and he was just too weak to send them back before he died.

As in, once they were there....that was it. No immediate way back.

If they couldn't get home, then Janeway is fate's gimp. She's a losing loser with a losing hand that loses. Where's the kirk in that?

If Janeway could get home very easily which was the case, but only by sacrificing the cute and cuddly ocampa to death, and she chose not to go home to save the cute and cuddly ocampa, then Janeway is a bonafide idiot, sorry, I mean "hero". Very Kirk.

But here's what really happened...

Janeway broke the prime directive to maroon her crew in parts unknown, which is very kirk if there was a happily ever after, but there wasn't. The shields lasted 5 years, and then the Kazon took the Ocampas water, and they all died. Janeway didn't save anyone, especially her crew. She is a dick.

 

[Anwar]

Janeway broke the prime directive to maroon her crew in parts unknown, which is very kirk if there was a happily ever after, but there wasn't. The shields lasted 5 years, and then the Kazon took the Ocampas water, and they all died. Janeway didn't save anyone, especially her crew. She is a dick.

The Ocampa would have regained their psionic powers without the Caretaker's coddling and been safe without the shields.

 

[Guy Gardener]

One, that didn't happen. The ocampa thought Kes was a mutant freak, and ran away to destroy Voyager for turning her into a freak. More so if Caretaker didn't think that would happen, why would Janeway?

2. Kes got her powers a little from months of meditation with Tuvok, and then supercharged by telepathic contact with 8472. If 8472 didnt attack Ocampa, then the Ocampa were going to stay mundane.

3. Caretaker never actually said that the Ocampa were going to die, just and only just that the Kazon would take their water. Janeway didn't protect the Ocampa, she protected their stuff, and it was a Kazon world anyway. Claimed and flag planted, and the Caretaker let them have it, they built a cormaline mine and a cormaline shop renound the sector over, therefore the Ocampas water had always belonged to the Kazon, so it was Janeway who was the water thief, not the Kazon.

4. If the shields held out longer than than the water and replicators even by just a few days, the Ocampa would have turned to canabalism and turned on each other. This is the status Quo that Janeway left them in. Oh don't forget, babies taste the best.

 

[Akiraprise]

Got a chuckle out of this.

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[Anwar]

One, that didn't happen. The ocampa thought Kes was a mutant freak, and ran away to destroy Voyager for turning her into a freak. More so if Caretaker didn't think that would happen, why would Janeway?

He was a wee bit senile by that point.

2. Kes got her powers a little from months of meditation with Tuvok, and then supercharged by telepathic contact with 8472. If 8472 didnt attack Ocampa, then the Ocampa were going to stay mundane.

Who says that's the only way?

3. Caretaker never actually said that the Ocampa were going to die, just and only just that the Kazon would take their water.

After all the damage Voyager did to the Kazon, odds are they would've abandoned the place to chase Voyager and not go back.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Valuable cormaline deposits.

Would JR Ewing give all his oil wells back to the Native Americans because scary Green Peace burnt down some of his shit?

They weren't going anywhere.

 

[PatB1974]

This might have been discussed many times, I'm not sure..... but here goes.

I watched 'Caretaker' recently and by destroying the Caretaker array Voyager is stuck far away from home.
How about leaving a timebomb on the array, it would be destroyed after Voyager got back home?

I never could get past that plot hole. I thought the same thing when I watched the first episode. I could never suspend disbelief after that.