Destiny Timing/Continuity

[bigdaddy]

They should have said no one was on the ship for a million years, but that they have no clue how old the ship really is.

 

[DWF]

They should have said no one was on the ship for a million years, but that they have no clue how old the ship really is.

Rush made that claim in the first ep. without really knowing the age of the ship. Of course we still don't know about that ship that detached itself from Destiny in the pilot.

 

[T'Girl]

It's possible that the Ancients did not have a steady technology base through all of their history, never falling back to a primitive level, but having fluxuations over time. Destiny may have been state of the art for the time period in which she was built.

 

[notwendium]

Given the age of the Ancient civilization, and the common-sense approach of sending tried and true materials on long unattended voyages, I have this:

It stands to reason that even 1,000 years is enough time to develop major technologies. If the repositories were indeed intended as a "preservation" device, they'd be put in as a last ditch effort some 12,000 years ago if that.

Destiny is very likely filled with "Backwards" technology on purpose. ZPMs are unsuited for long term unattended use so its powered by solar plasma. the ATA tech precludes non-ancients (or ancient decendants) from accessing systems, so its left out. the FTL looks more "warp drive" rather then hyperdrive, likely midrange speedwise and certainly better for surveying. And if the ship gets taken over by hostiles, they don't get an all access pass to your advanced toys. Atlantis was the crown jewel of the Ancient civilization, Destiny is just a beefed up long range survey ship.

Seeders drop a gate on an interesting resource-rich habitable planet in the middle of a stellar neighborhood, Destiny follows up with manpower and hardware, deploying a proper DHD and long-range gate.

Since the deployed gates don't have DHDs, and the redial process has never been covered (despite that being rather critical), it stands to reason that the Destiny gates can only talk to Destiny. It's also very probable that the "locked out" gates are those seeded by the seed ships that are inactive/buried/destroyed.

 

[Brent]

^ that is a neat explanation, and I like it

...but, the Gates that the seeder ships are putting out are supposed to be older than the Milky Way gates... hence the steam being released after Destiny uses the gate, they are slightly inferior to the Milky Way gates, in the timeline, they came before the MW gates were constructed

I guess you could argue that and say they decided to put an inferior gate on the Destiny so alien races wouldn't have access to the more advanced gates, or so they could limit the range of the wormholes

I dunno

 

[Kemaiku]

The Ancients never seemed to care who or what had access to their Gate networks before now, and liked to plant all their tech wherever they wanted to.

Rush claims the Repository is a "prototype" and much older than the Milky Way ones, yet at 1 million years its much newer than the at least 10 million years season's 1 and 7 of SG-1 established for them.

He then claims that Destiny predates the ATA gene technology. Which is outright bullshit since all Ancient outposts, cities, ships and certain planets in the Milky Way used it 5-10 million years ago.

The Milky Way Gates have been established onscreen as being the first design used, and backed up by ten years of SG-1 showing that they have been around for 50 million years.

Even more so, Adria's chamber in Ark of Truth depicts a sort of Biblical-esque mural running around showing moments from Ori galaxy history, a pilgrimage is shown, with the people stepping through a Milky Way gate.

Sorry but there is a wealth of evidence to show the dialogue is wrong, all they have to say is the ship is using dumbed down and more rubost technology for long range use, which is perfectly fine, my problem is Rush keeps implying or outright stating its all older or a prototype.

Then again, theres no reason to trust a word Rush says...

 

[David cgc]

Sorry but there is a wealth of evidence to show the dialogue is wrong, all they have to say is the ship is using dumbed down and more rubost technology for long range use, which is perfectly fine, my problem is Rush keeps implying or outright stating its all older or a prototype.

Then again, theres no reason to trust a word Rush says...

You could also assume the ship is older and a prototype, and the timeframe given is the mistake.

 

[Brent]

I'm goin with the just don't know for sure real age of the ship, and have it wrong. I'm going to say Rush was just guessing, and the real age will be revealed later.

 

[James Bond]

Sorry but there is a wealth of evidence to show the dialogue is wrong, all they have to say is the ship is using dumbed down and more rubost technology for long range use, which is perfectly fine, my problem is Rush keeps implying or outright stating its all older or a prototype.

Then again, theres no reason to trust a word Rush says...

You could also assume the ship is older and a prototype, and the timeframe given is the mistake.

Exactly. Why people seem so confused by this is absolutely astounding to me.


Here's how I see it:

A long time ago (More than 50 Million years ago), in a galaxy far, far away - The Alterans go through a political/social divide. The Alterans, who would later become known as the Ancients, leave their home galaxy in search of a new home; leaving the Alterans, who go on to be known as the Ori, behind.

50+ Million Years Ago - The Ancients come across the Milky Way galaxy and Earth, and decide to settle here making Earth their new homeworld. The Ancients begin to seed planets and build their empire in the newly discovered Milky Way, but still desire to explore the universe, so they come up with the Destiny project making use of the newly invented Stargate concept. The plan is to send out a number of unmanned ships to explore the universe, manufacturing and depositing these early Stargates on habitable worlds across the galaxies. A few centuries later, the newly built, state of the art (for that time) Destiny would be launched on a pre-programmed course transmitted to it by the earlier unmanned ships; and later (when the Destiny was sufficiently far out into the Universe), the Ancients would use the Stargate (using the 9th chevron) to get to Destiny, and explore the far reaches of the universe (although this would never end up happening in the end).

50 Million Years ago to about 10 or so Million Years ago - The Ancients' civilization in the Milky Way is in full swing, and they have replaced the earlier, limited range prototype Stargates (Destiny type) with the more familiar, galaxy-wide-range Milky Way gates. I would assume it's around this time that the alliance of the 4 great races comes into being. Towards the end of this time period, the great plague, unleashed perhaps by the Ori, has started to decimate the population of the Milky Way.

5 to 10 Million Years ago - The remaining Ancients in the Milky Way, unaffected by the plague, decide to leave the galaxy in order to escape the sickness, and set off for the Pegasus galaxy on Atlantis, leaving behind the others. Sometime after this, the super-weapon on Dakara is used to "reset" life in the Milky Way galaxy (apparently with a few exceptions such as the Nox, etc).

5 Million years ago to 10 Thousand years ago - The Ancients have settled and built their empire in the Pegasus galaxy (and perhaps others). This is essentially the peak of the Ancient civilization, and their work on ascension has begun. The earliest Stargates left behind by the unmanned ships of the Destiny project have been replaced by the newest Stargates. The Ancients encounter the Wraith, and remain at war with them for centuries until, finally, they give up and escape back to Earth after submerging the abandoned Atlantis. By the end of this time period, all the Ancients have died out, ascended, or lived out the rest of their days on Earth or wherever; all the while, Destiny has been heading out further and further into the universe.

 

[DWF]

Here's the Ancients' timeline and I don't think there's any reason to assume that Destiny is a prototype it was as advanced of a ship that they could build at the time.

http://www.gateworld.net/wiki/Ancient_timeline

I do think they gave up on space ship travel for a while and had rebuild a fleet in the Pegasus galaxy to fight the wraith, which is why the Aurora wasn't as advanced of a ship as Destiny is.

 

[Kemaiku]

Sorry but there is a wealth of evidence to show the dialogue is wrong, all they have to say is the ship is using dumbed down and more rubost technology for long range use, which is perfectly fine, my problem is Rush keeps implying or outright stating its all older or a prototype.

Then again, theres no reason to trust a word Rush says...

You could also assume the ship is older and a prototype, and the timeframe given is the mistake.

I'm hoping its one of the two. Actually it would be an interesting discovery if they finally activated the chair only to find that Destiny was the ship that helped pave the way to the Milky Way and the Seeder ships planted the MW gates, that shes been refitted and updated or changed hundreds of times resulting in the weird eccletic mix of technology making her age hard to work out.

 

[notwendium]

It is also possible that the "hundreds of thousands of years ago" note by Dr Rush is a guesstimate. It could very well have gone through some temporal flux (read: if FTL failed and deceleration didn't kick in, the ship would be stuck coasting at near-light-speed until it could aerobrake.)
OR
The ship really is really, really old and dates back to the pre-MW days and Rush is JUST PLAIN WRONG.

Until we get a look at the database that lands us a date or an event timeline, we're going on "a long time ago" type notation.

 

[David cgc]

I really like that idea, actually, that the ship at one point got borked and ended up traveling at relativistic speeds for a while until it could fix itself, so it was launched fifty million years ago, but is actually "only" a million years old.

 

[Kemaiku]

^Or perhaps she does it deliberately between galaxies to conserve fuel and save on wear and tear?

 

[Darth_Daver]

50 Million Years ago to about 10 or so Million Years ago - The Ancients' civilization in the Milky Way is in full swing, and they have replaced the earlier, limited range prototype Stargates (Destiny type) with the more familiar, galaxy-wide-range Milky Way gates. I would assume it's around this time that the alliance of the 4 great races comes into being. Towards the end of this time period, the great plague, unleashed perhaps by the Ori, has started to decimate the population of the Milky Way.
apparently with a few exceptions such as the Nox, etc).

Yet, in SG-1 5x22 Revelations they find an ancient asgard from 30 000 years ago!! How did they have an alliance millions of years earlier?

 

[Broccoli]

50 Million Years ago to about 10 or so Million Years ago - The Ancients' civilization in the Milky Way is in full swing, and they have replaced the earlier, limited range prototype Stargates (Destiny type) with the more familiar, galaxy-wide-range Milky Way gates. I would assume it's around this time that the alliance of the 4 great races comes into being. Towards the end of this time period, the great plague, unleashed perhaps by the Ori, has started to decimate the population of the Milky Way.
apparently with a few exceptions such as the Nox, etc).

Yet, in SG-1 5x22 Revelations they find an ancient asgard from 30 000 years ago!! How did they have an alliance millions of years earlier?

Internet message boards?

 

[James Bond]

50 Million Years ago to about 10 or so Million Years ago - The Ancients' civilization in the Milky Way is in full swing, and they have replaced the earlier, limited range prototype Stargates (Destiny type) with the more familiar, galaxy-wide-range Milky Way gates. I would assume it's around this time that the alliance of the 4 great races comes into being. Towards the end of this time period, the great plague, unleashed perhaps by the Ori, has started to decimate the population of the Milky Way.
apparently with a few exceptions such as the Nox, etc).

Yet, in SG-1 5x22 Revelations they find an ancient asgard from 30 000 years ago!! How did they have an alliance millions of years earlier?

So the alliance Asgard were the more ancient ones? Either way, the alliance stuff isn't important when it comes to the Destiny timeline.

 

[Darth_Daver]

50 Million Years ago to about 10 or so Million Years ago - The Ancients' civilization in the Milky Way is in full swing, and they have replaced the earlier, limited range prototype Stargates (Destiny type) with the more familiar, galaxy-wide-range Milky Way gates. I would assume it's around this time that the alliance of the 4 great races comes into being. Towards the end of this time period, the great plague, unleashed perhaps by the Ori, has started to decimate the population of the Milky Way.
apparently with a few exceptions such as the Nox, etc).

Yet, in SG-1 5x22 Revelations they find an ancient asgard from 30 000 years ago!! How did they have an alliance millions of years earlier?

So the alliance Asgard were the more ancient ones? Either way, the alliance stuff isn't important when it comes to the Destiny timeline.

Yeah, they already messed up in Atlantis already.
But what I'm saying that if we disregard Atlantis' several millions years earlier date of departure, 100-200 thousands of years for "ancient" destiny could be true. 170k years later, ancients is at their height with in an alliance with the asgard.


But, in the fifth race, they say that the alliance fought the goauld. The goauld rose 10k years ago. So it's possible, that the alliance was AFTER they returned from atlantis, and there was only a few hundred ancients in this alliance, that would be quite enough to hold back the goauld But than again, that would place Destiny back in the millions range (before leaving for Pegasus), so we're back with the problem.

Did somebody asked it from Malozzi?

 

[James Bond]

But, in the fifth race, they say that the alliance fought the goauld. The goauld rose 10k years ago. So it's possible, that the alliance was AFTER they returned from atlantis, and there was only a few hundred ancients in this alliance, that would be quite enough to hold back the goauld But than again, that would place Destiny back in the millions range (before leaving for Pegasus), so we're back with the problem.

I'm assuming this is in fact the case.

Here is what Brad Wright had to say to Gateworld back in 2008 when he and Robert C. Cooper revealed what exactly SGU was going to be about:

"The idea of Stargate Universe is that it is set on a ship that was part of an Ancient experiment that was set in motion probably millions of years ago -- one that they never saw to fruition, but that we can," Wright told GateWorld exclusively. "They got busy with the whole ascension thing." The experiment is "to send a ship across the universe, and to send one ahead of it to seed the galaxies with Stargates, and that they would one day use the ninth chevron to get there [to the ship]. And that's what Stargate Universe is." Millions of years ago (before their conflict with the Wraith and possibly even before they moved Atlantis to the Pegasus Galaxy), the show would reveal, the Ancients sent out two ships: an automated vessel to place Stargates throughout multiple galaxies in our universe, and a second ship to follow up and explore.

Obviously this was a while ago, and there are some inconsistencies with what we know to be true in the actual show itself (the number ships sent out), but this is about as good as we have right now.