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Description of the teaser trailer...SPOILERS, Dude

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I think the thing people will wonder about is...

"The shot continues, revealing the writing on the top of the saucer — “U.S.S. Enterprise,” and these huge aircraft-like warp engines in the background."

'aircraft-like' you say?
 
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The God Thing said:
Kegek said:
Interesting explanation, Cary L. Brown, but, if I understand you correclty, parts of the ship are built but the final assembly into a ship is supposed to have taken place in space, correct? Because it seems here that the final assembly is underway.

"Our vessel was constructed in space and has never felt the solidity of the surface of a planet." - Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek Writer & Director's Guide (Bible) dated April 17, 1967.

TGT

As you indicate, that was from a guide. Not etched in tritanium. And heretofore never depicted on film.
 
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^^^
Except every starship we ever saw in all the other movies and shows depicting an orbiting construction. Never was one seen to be made on the surface. So it's not so hard a leap, right?

There is no indication it was constructed on the surface except that the plaque has "San Francisco, Calf." on it. Which doesn't prove anything either way, I reckon.
 
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My workmate got to go a Cloverfield screening this afternoon, and when he got back I asked him about the trailer. He told me:

It was pretty basic, just a big hanger where they were working on the enterprise, and a cheesy voice over. It looked like it has a massive budget tho.

Sadly, the dude's not a Star Trek fan, so asking him to describe anything is a bit of a waste of time, though it sounds like what he saw jives with this description.

Man, Tom Petty was right. :(
 
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'aircraft-like' you say?

There are days I think we're all a bunch of blind folks trying to describe a whale...

I wonder what 'aircraft-like' means to the person who used that as the way to describe the nacelle? A total nubie would think of the warp nacelles as perhaps 'aircraft or jet engine like'.

Sharr
 
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Starship Polaris said:
Cool that they're using voice-overs from the American space program of the 1960s. :thumbsup:

As far back as when there were rumors for the abandoned Star Trek: The Beginning, I was hoping they'd find some way to incorporate John F. Kennedy's speech.

I haven't clicked on the link yet but, you know what? Even if it's not that speech, close enough. This is good.

EDIT:

Roberto Orci: I think when a lot of people think of Star Trek they think of it as some other kind of fantasy world. What we want people to see is that the future that Gene Roddenberry created, of Star Trek and Starfleet and Starfleet Academy and the Federation, are extension of what might happen…maybe tomorrow.

Incidentally, this is along the lines of my thoughts of what I've posted about the Star Trek universe a few years ago.
 
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I assume that "aircraft like" engines suggests that the engines resemble the nacelles on a present-day jet. That would jibe with something I heard at one point about "scoops."

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But, we'll see for sure in three days.

No, how the Enterprise was assembled was not established in the original TV series nor has it really been since. Space assembly would make sense - but since we're unlikely to see the ship being assembled in the movie, it may be a moot point.
 
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That sounds really neat! When I read the one in the first link, I was massively dissappointed... glad someone found the whole thing.
 
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Cary L. Brown said:
Am I the only person who remembers that the 1970s fandom explanation was that certain components of the Enterprise were assembled on Earth at what is, today, a naval yard, and lifted into space? I even have a book, overlaying the 23rd-century Earthside construction yards on top of the existing contemporary naval base.

Specifically, right in the area at the lower right-hand corner of this view. That was the eventual location of the EARTH-SIDE "San Francisco Naval Yards" facility.



I'm not 100% sure where this ORIGINALLY came from. It may have even been established during the production of the original show... or it may be entirely "fanon."

But in any case, I've never believed that every bit was assembled in orbit. Not since I was a wee laddie, back in the early 1970s.

What you read was in The Making of Star Trek, page 171:

"The unit components were built at the Star Fleet Division of what is still called the San Francisco Navy Yards, and the vessel was assembled in space."

What TGT quoted comports with this since the completed vessel was also stated as being incapable of landfall.
 
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I assume that "aircraft like" engines suggests that the engines resemble the nacelles on a present-day jet. That would jibe with something I heard at one point about "scoops."

I have a positive mental image of this. Liking it.

Sharr
 
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Plum said:
^^^
Except every starship we ever saw in all the other movies and shows depicting an orbiting construction. Never was one seen to be made on the surface. So it's not so hard a leap, right?

There is no indication it was constructed on the surface except that the plaque has "San Francisco, Calf." on it. Which doesn't prove anything either way, I reckon.

Well, all I was ever able to infer from those examples ("Star Trek: The Motion Picture"; "Booby Trap", "Parallels"; "Relativity") was assembly of pre-constructed component parts or modules in space that seem to have been made on the ground (if the graphic in "Parallels" is any indication) just like the way we do it now. But I suppose we'll just have to wait and see if the ENTIRE SHIP is depicted on the ground in the teaser. THAT would seem to be wrong.
 
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Cary L. Brown said:
Am I the only person who remembers that the 1970s fandom explanation was that certain components of the Enterprise were assembled on Earth at what is, today, a naval yard, and lifted into space? I even have a book, overlaying the 23rd-century Earthside construction yards on top of the existing contemporary naval base.

Specifically, right in the area at the lower right-hand corner of this view. That was the eventual location of the EARTH-SIDE "San Francisco Naval Yards" facility.

[image]http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/843/sanfranyardsox3.th.jpg[/image]

I'm not 100% sure where this ORIGINALLY came from. It may have even been established during the production of the original show... or it may be entirely "fanon."

But in any case, I've never believed that every bit was assembled in orbit. Not since I was a wee laddie, back in the early 1970s.

The pre-TMP novel "A Flag Full Of Stars" goes over this, I think.
 
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Kegek said:
Hm. I really like that, sounds like an excellent teaser.

I'm betting good money that some people won't be pleased with the idea of the Enterprise being constructed on Earth, though.

I'm not but, as I've said so many times before, what are ya gonna do?

Aside from that, it still sounds cool. Woulda been cooler in space. Cooler still with David Bowie: "Wear the eypatch, Spock, wear the funky, funky eyepatch."
 
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I'd say cheesy is a pretty good word.

Though it's appropriate to connect Trek to those days, Kennedy, the space program, and so on. I can't complain that Orci doesn't "get" trek, this is spot on.
 
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Kegek said:
Starship Polaris said:
Well, it's just an advertisement. The sequence isn't supposed to appear in the movie.

Doubt that'd stop some people.

Interesting explanation, Cary L. Brown, but, if I understand you correclty, parts of the ship are built but the final assembly into a ship is supposed to have taken place in space, correct? Because it seems here that the final assembly is underway.
Noplace in that description of the trailer (assuming it's correct, obviously) says tha the ship is undergoing "final assembly."

The explanation from way back when was that the components were assembled at the San Francisco Naval Yards (which is the spot I just showed) and lifted into orbit where the final starship assembly was completed.

We know that we see elements of the saucer... BEING WELDED... in a planetside setting. We also know that we see nacelles under construction in the distance.

Why would you assume that this means that they're completed? Why would you assume that this means that they're even ATTACHED to each other?

As a parallel... think of the F-22. It's actually constructed at multiple facilities. The cockpit section is assembled at one site. The midbody is assembled at another site. The engines are constructed at yet another site. And at a FOURTH site, the various parts are assembled to each other and the final aircraft is completed.

Technically, up until that point, it's not an F-22. So Roddenberry's quote (given by TGT, above) would be entirely accurate even if SOME PORTION of the construction was done planet-side.

Roddenberry was pointing out his intention that this ship doesn't take off and land. It's not designed to, it's not intended to. But the idea that every SEGMENT of it must have been manufactured, from scratch, in orbit is taking that point far beyond where it can reasonably be seen to lead.

The SFNY (which you can see in the image I link above) currently has two very large naval drydocks (you can see the outlines off the lowermost right corner) and the idea that I've always understood was that the nacelles were constructed planetside (but perhaps not FINISHED planetside... ) and lifted to orbit by some form of "heavy lifter" system (presumably antigravity based, not rockets!)

Similarly with the saucer... there's no reason to assume that it has to be welded up from individual beams in orbit. Seems that construction is always simpler if you can have your teams working in "shirt-sleeves."

In fact, that's how I see the "Starbase One/Spacedock" as seen in ST-III... it has a pressurized interior in zero gravity but with a breathable atmosphere, allowing people to work in that space without spacesuits, but also to have the advantage of low-gravity construction (and also near the no-atmosphere drydocks where you could do work requiring no atmosphere).

Before you had a big "Starbase One" pressurized spacedock facility, it seems to me that certain tasks would really need to be done planetside just for them to be practical. And with heavy-lift anti-grav capabilities, it's really not TOO much of a problem, is it?
 
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Of course, we could just take the trailer to be metaphor for Trek (and for the movie's production), much the way we take those really cool but really inaccurate paperback covers from the 1970s, and get a good night's sleep.

Really, though, I see it this way: the Enterprise from the original Star Trek (1966-79; maybe 1982) was built in space. This Enterprise? Doesn't matter so much.
 
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Fuck you, Dennis! I promised myself I was going to remain spoiler free. :mad:

But you had to put the piece of candy right in front of my face.

And I was not strong enough to resist.

Which is, of course, all your fault.
 
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This Enterprise? Doesn't matter so much.

If this movie rebirths the sinking ship, it might matter quite a lot. (hard not to take that as you meaning to say "this Enterprise is lesser...)

And the modular Earth to space construction as outlined above makes sense to me.

Sharr
 
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Starship Polaris said:
Yeah, well I'll bet you a hundred bucks that the Borg aren't in the movie.

:guffaw: :guffaw: :guffaw:

I know to quit when I'm ahead.

The teaser trailer sounds fucking awesome, by the way. Very ballsy. Which is what we need. Leaving the title off is bold. I like that.

And it very much conveys that this is the beginning (which is what the recent "fake" trailer failed to do).

It sounds like the massive scope of the film will also be conveyed.

"Grounding" the whole construction process on Earth, which will not meet with some fans' expectations, further lets the audience know that they are getting in on the ground floor. That this is the very beginning. The ride starts here. Get on.

Step on board, and bring your hopes and dreams of the future with you.

The use of historical progression through audio clips is also a great idea.

Now, if we can just set the whole thing to "Faith of the Heart." :thumbsup:
 
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