Delta Vega

[shapeshifter]

Or a deliberate slap at the cononista's. ;-)

 

[I-Am-Zim]

Or a deliberate slap at the cononista's. ;-)

I don't doubt that. I felt "slapped" by the whole movie.

 

[Set Harth]

Delta Vega is obviously supposed to be a completely different location... kind of like Rome, New York.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

The scene in the mind meld only showed Nero with his shirt off. He could have been anywhere. And if it were actually Rura Penthe from TUC, we all know that nobody would be dumb enough to run around shirtless on that barren ice and snow covered asteroid ("Punishment means exile to the surface. And on the surface, nothing can survive."). Even underground in the dilithium mines the inmates had to wear several layers of clothing to keep warm. So, no, that scene didn't look like Rura Penthe from TUC at all.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

Now, granted that this is an alternate universe, Rura Penthe may be a "prison planet" in the abramsverse instead of an asteroid as it was in TUC (edit: But that wouldn't work either because we saw Rura Penthe in ENT, and it was the same as it was in TUC. And since everything prior to Nero's incursion is supposed to conform to prior continuity, then Rura Penthe should be the same asteroid in the Abramsverse that it was in the original universe. But then again, maybe Nero's appearance sent ripples all through the spacetime continuum causing the higher-ups in the Klingon High Council to decide that their prisoners deserved more humane treatment so they moved Rura Penthe to a more hospitable planet that wasn's covered with ice and snow all the time. Yeah, I'm reaching. Yet more evidence that the abramsverse is an alternate universe and not just a branch off the original timeline). Also, if it is a planet in this universe, then there would be varying climates (presumably). Therefore, Nero could have been on the warm side of the planet at the dilithium processing plant or something. That would explain the lack of snow or warm clothing as compared with the Rura Penthe we know from TUC. Still, that scene gave no indication that it was supposed to be Rura Penthe. It just showed Nero with his shirt off looking around at something. That was it. He literally could have been most anywhere with a warm climate. But definitely not Rura Penthe from TUC.

Edit again: I know a lot of fans don't care for ENT beacuse of all the canon errors. I know, I'm one of them. There are also some who try to set ENT aside as an alternate timeline branched off after FC, and that's fine too. The only problem is that in the series finale, "These Are The Voyages", ENT was connected to TNG through Riker and Troi by way of the episode: "Pegasus". Thereby cementing ENT's place within the canon of TOS-TNG and beyond. So the Rura Penthe seen in the deleted scenes of STXI should have resembled those of ENT and TUC. But they didn't. So abramsverse Rura Penthe is not the same one as original universe Rura Penthe.

 

[Set Harth]

However, we don't know exactly where he is in that scene, and we know the Klingons have technology; we also don't know everything about the planetoid's orbit.

He literally could have been most anywhere with a warm climate.

Either that or he's a maniac.

I know a lot of fans don't care for ENT beacuse of all the canon errors. I know, I'm one of them. There are also some who try to set ENT aside as an alternate timeline branched off after FC, and that's fine too. The only problem is that in the series finale, "These Are The Voyages", ENT was connected to TNG through Riker and Troi by way of the episode: "Pegasus". Thereby cementing ENT's place within the canon of TOS-TNG and beyond.

That was "cemented" by the fact that it was a Paramount ST series intended by the creators to be part of the same continuity. It wasn't really dependent on a series finale or fan approval. However, if Riker and Troi are considered the only "proof" of this, the inclusion of Nimoy's Ambassador Spock in STXI is no different. Any scheme concocted to negate this connection with the original continuity, if it were to be applied equally to all previous ST installments, would effectively place each preexisting installment in its own separate continuity.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

He could have been anywhere.

However, the intended criticism was predicated on the idea that it was Rura Penthe but that the deleted scene somehow made it look like Delta Vega. The deleted scene could have been anywhere, because it's indoors.

Indoors? What deleted scene did you see? I saw Nero outside with no shirt on and a large building behind him with smoke coming out of it and floating up into the night sky. There were also other shirtless inmates in that scene as well. And I saw no snow on the ground. But I haven't watched that scene in a while. I will watch it again later and if I'm wrong, I'll say so.

So, no, that scene didn't look like Rura Penthe from TUC at all.

It looks like Rura Penthe, in terms of the similarity of the background. You're changing the subject. You're not saying that it looked different - the original complaint - but that Nero's presence indicates it is most likely a different place. However, we don't know exactly where he is in that scene, and we know the Klingons have technology; we also don't know everything about the planetoid's orbit.

No. It didn't look like Rura Penthe. The background didn't look similar. There was no rock, snow, ice, nothing that would make one think "oh, that's Rura Penthe". So yes, I am saying that it looked different. How am I changing the subject?

He literally could have been most anywhere with a warm climate.

Either that or he's a maniac.

Except that in the deleted scene, Nero wasn't the only underdressed inmate.

 

[Set Harth]

Except that in the deleted scene, Nero wasn't the only underdressed inmate.

Maybe there's more than one maniac in the universe.

What deleted scene did you see?

I was thinking of the "escape" scene.

I saw Nero outside with no shirt on and a large building behind him with smoke coming out of it and floating up into the night sky. There were also other shirtless inmates in that scene as well.

That probably has something to do with the large buildings emanating smoke and heat.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

Except that in the deleted scene, Nero wasn't the only underdressed inmate.

Maybe there's more than one maniac in the universe.

Can't deny that.

What deleted scene did you see?

I was thinking of the "escape" scene.

Ah. I was thinking of the scene with the four-faced alien.

 

[Set Harth]

So abramsverse Rura Penthe is not the same one as original universe Rura Penthe.

There's nothing to prove that it isn't. By this logic the Vulcan of Yesteryear or The Voyage Home is not the same Vulcan as seen in Amok Time.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

Except that we knew that it was Vulcan in all those episodes because they said so. The name "Rura Penthe" was never used anywhere in the dialogue in STXI. I don't even think they said it in the deletes scenes. The caption at the top said "Klingon Prison Planet Rura Penthe", but it couldn't be the same one as TUC because that one wasn't a "planet". It was a penal asteroid. Yet another example of carelessness on the part of the writers.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

The caption at the top said "Klingon Prison Planet Rura Penthe

In a deleted scene not in the movie proper.

 

[F. King Daniel]

"Rura Penthe" may be the name of the star system. There could be a prison on every planetoid, asteroid and space station in it.

Whatever it is it's not all it's cracked up to be: Archer, Kirk and Nero and crew all escaped. But I guess if Archer can get out, anyone can!


And was that four-faced alien supposed to be a transporter malfunction survivor or what?

 

[JarodRussell]

The caption at the top said "Klingon Prison Planet Rura Penthe

In a deleted scene not in the movie proper.

I don't know if that's makes any difference. It was written, is was concepted, it was filmed, visual effects for it were completed, it was edited and shown to test audiences. The only reason why it's not in the movie is that somehow "audience didn't get it". And it was not replaced by something else, it was just left out (Kirk's death scene in Generations was replaced, for instance. First he was shot in the back, then he fell off the bridge).

 

[I-Am-Zim]

The caption at the top said "Klingon Prison Planet Rura Penthe

In a deleted scene not in the movie proper.

True. So it really doesn't matter anyway. According to what was seen in the move, on screen, Nero was never at Rura Penthe or any other Klingon prison facility for that matter. As far as we know from what was shown in the movie, Nero and his crew just roamed around the galaxy for 25 years "planning their vengence".

But, the point I was trying to convey was that they called Rura Penthe a "planet" when we know from TUC and ENT that it is an asteroid - "This is the gulag, Rura Penthe". "You will be sent to the dilithium mines on the penal asteroid Rura Penthe. There to spend the rest of your natural lives."

"Rura Penthe" may be the name of the star system. There could be a prison on every planetoid, asteroid and space station in it.

See quote above. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that the Klingon Judge specifically called Rura Penthe a penal asteroid. He didn't say a penal asteroid in the Rura Penthe system.

Whatever it is it's not all it's cracked up to be: Archer, Kirk and Nero and crew all escaped. But I guess if Archer can get out, anyone can!

And was that four-faced alien supposed to be a transporter malfunction survivor or what?

Really! That was just wierd looking.

The caption at the top said "Klingon Prison Planet Rura Penthe

In a deleted scene not in the movie proper.

I don't know if that's makes any difference. It was written, is was concepted, it was filmed, visual effects for it were completed, it was edited and shown to test audiences. The only reason why it's not in the movie is that somehow "audience didn't get it". And it was not replaced by something else, it was just left out (Kirk's death scene in Generations was replaced, for instance. First he was shot in the back, then he fell off the bridge).

The movie should be able to stand on its own. As far as the deleted scenes, if they aren't in the movie, they didn't happen.

 

[JarodRussell]

In a deleted scene not in the movie proper.

I don't know if that's makes any difference. It was written, is was concepted, it was filmed, visual effects for it were completed, it was edited and shown to test audiences. The only reason why it's not in the movie is that somehow "audience didn't get it". And it was not replaced by something else, it was just left out (Kirk's death scene in Generations was replaced, for instance. First he was shot in the back, then he fell off the bridge).

The movie should be able to stand on its own. As far as the deleted scenes, if they aren't in the movie, they didn't happen.

Hey, LOL, dude, I'm actually trying to agree with you here.

You said this:

Yet another example of carelessness on the part of the writers.

Which got partially undermined by this:

The caption at the top said "Klingon Prison Planet Rura Penthe

In a deleted scene not in the movie proper.

But deleted scene or not, the writers still were careless.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

I don't know if that's makes any difference. It was written, is was concepted, it was filmed, visual effects for it were completed, it was edited and shown to test audiences. The only reason why it's not in the movie is that somehow "audience didn't get it". And it was not replaced by something else, it was just left out (Kirk's death scene in Generations was replaced, for instance. First he was shot in the back, then he fell off the bridge).

The movie should be able to stand on its own. As far as the deleted scenes, if they aren't in the movie, they didn't happen.

Hey, LOL, dude, I'm actually trying to agree with you here.

You said this:



Which got partially undermined by this:

The caption at the top said "Klingon Prison Planet Rura Penthe

In a deleted scene not in the movie proper.

But deleted scene or not, the writers still were careless.

LOL. Sorry about the misunderstanding. Agreed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"Rura Penthe" may be the name of the star system. There could be a prison on every planetoid, asteroid and space station in it.

Whatever it is it's not all it's cracked up to be: Archer, Kirk and Nero and crew all escaped. But I guess if Archer can get out, anyone can!


And was that four-faced alien supposed to be a transporter malfunction survivor or what?

"That's because they aren't in Rura Pentha 13, the toughest prison camp in all the Empire!!!!"- Commandant Klink

 

[Peter the Younger]

"Rura Penthe" may be the name of the star system. There could be a prison on every planetoid, asteroid and space station in it.

Whatever it is it's not all it's cracked up to be: Archer, Kirk and Nero and crew all escaped. But I guess if Archer can get out, anyone can!


And was that four-faced alien supposed to be a transporter malfunction survivor or what?

"That's because they aren't in Rura Pentha 13, the toughest prison camp in all the Empire!!!!"- Commandant Klink

That's what they should have done with Enterprise! Reboot it as "Archer's Heroes", the whacky adventures of the NX crew running black ops under the noses of the Klingon commandant!

As to the whole planet/asteroid thing, I'm all for the reclassification of Rura Penthe. Asteroids with breathable atmospheres and broad, clearly remote horizons are clearly misnamed. Stupid Klingons.

 

[Set Harth]

Asteroids with breathable atmospheres and broad, clearly remote horizons are clearly misnamed.

Beat me to it.

According to what was seen in the move, on screen, Nero was never at Rura Penthe or any other Klingon prison facility for that matter.

Yet he apparently destroyed an armada at a Klingon prison planet for no reason at all.