I'm thinking TPTB should have consulted you before filming started. Much better idea than what we got on screen.
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I'm thinking TPTB should have consulted you before filming started. Much better idea than what we got on screen.
Given what we know about Reman warriors even a fake coup attempt would have to be poorly staged too allow even the very idea that they'd ask Picard for help, it'd be even easier for Picard to see though than what they did with B-4's body in the first place.
Putting aside whether or not StarFleet would actually ever conveniently forget about whatever anti gravity, hover technology they may have and construct a dune buggy...
My biggest problem was - what are the chances that a dune buggy equipped SF landing party landed on a planet whose inhabitants also had dune buggies!?!?!
My biggest problem was - what are the chances that a dune buggy equipped SF landing party landed on a planet whose inhabitants also had dune buggies!?!?!
Oh, I understand the intent. But it still doesn't make sense to hide B4 on Kolarus (see next.)
But again, why even have the remotest chance that Picard could come to danger? Why not just bury B4 on an uninhabited planet? Shinzon needed Picard's blood to survive. If I needed someone's blood to survive, the last thing I'd do is send that person on some wild goose-chase where there's even a small possibility that said person could be hurt or killed.
(I know, I know: You can't have an action-pack'd car chase on an uninhabited planet)
They put B-4 on a planet close to the Romulan neutral zone to lure the Enterprise within range and reguest the presence of the Enterprise for peace talks.
They didn't even need that.
Here is how the scene could have played out.
Tactical: "Sir we're being hailed by Starfleet Command"
Picard: "On Screen"
Admiral: "The Romulans, have expressed a desire to open up talks with us about a new treaty, and they have requested you as our representitive
Would you find it unlikely if they used a boat to explore a water planet and then found that the natives also used boats? Since they and the Kolarans were both equipping themselves for a desert environment, it's not unreasonable that they'd use similar equipment.
Shizon needed B-4 on the Enterprise to learn the location of the Federation fleet, I thought it was a pretty move on his part and I liked how Data used it against him.
I found the special edition DVD release of TUC to be horrible. The flash identifiers of the perps during the mind meld, yes, the oddball scene in the torpedo room with Valeris appearing on the str.. er.. slide pole. Blech. I most appreciated the version I first saw, as I recall, on VHS, where the only 'added scene' to the theatrical release was the reveal of Col. West. (Again, if memory serves, or, was it the other way around, West revealed in theater, but not on home video?)
But again, why even have the remotest chance that Picard could come to danger? Why not just bury B4 on an uninhabited planet? Shinzon needed Picard's blood to survive. If I needed someone's blood to survive, the last thing I'd do is send that person on some wild goose-chase where there's even a small possibility that said person could be hurt or killed.
(I know, I know: You can't have an action-pack'd car chase on an uninhabited planet
I just assumed that, in Patrick Stewart's contract, he had the proviso for it. Fortunately, someone with common sense deleted the part that allowed him to introduce himself to Shinzon as "Picard. Jean-Luc Picard." while wearing a dress uniform.
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No, West was cut entirely from the theatrical release and restored on home video.
And the original VHS release (which I have) does include the added Valeris scene (that's the one where the set is shaky) as well as the Col. West scenes. According to Memory Alpha:
Yeah -- apparently Patrick Stewart is the one who pushed for Picard to become an action hero, and in this case he specifically wanted to do a car chase.
Yet the Enterprise would have had to be the closest ship to the Neutral Zone anyway to detect the positronic signature. Are we to believe that they can detect such a thing from halfway across the galaxy? If so, that would retroactively make Data one hell of a liability to have on a Federation starship...
Why didn't half a dozen other ships also respond to the signal and turn up at Kolarus?! They could have at least had another ship find B4, then have Janeway call Picard to notify him of the discovery so that the Enterprise would then make the journey. Shinzon knew that Data was on the Enterprise and so the ship was bound to be contacted and brought in.
Yet the Enterprise would have had to be the closest ship to the Neutral Zone anyway to detect the positronic signature. Are we to believe that they can detect such a thing from halfway across the galaxy? If so, that would retroactively make Data one hell of a liability to have on a Federation starship...
The Enterprise was headed for Betazed so we have no idea where they were and Janeway's message implied that the Enterprise was the closest ship. I'd say the signal was broadcast on purpose. And the Enterprise in every movie is seemingly the only ship in the area so this isn't a surprise that they were again the closest ship.
Gah. I have such great respect for Patrick Stewart as an actor. But I can lay 90% of my dissatisfaction with the TNG movies at the feet of the demands he made about his character. Literally every single thing he insisted on is completely at odds with both TNG and the character of Picard.
I watched "I, Borg," last night and became disgusted all over again at bloodthirsty action hero Picard from First Contact.
Watch him fret in Descent, and you'll see the real problem. There is some of Picard from First Contact in the episode I, Borg.
The earlier quiet moment between Picard and Data was an absolutely tragic loss to the film... in that it foreshadows the theme in no uncertain terms.
Also there must be a way of reordering the film, to allow that first scene where Shinzon's allies assemble and keep the slow reveal, staircase introduction of him to Picard and the audience.
It's not just a question of deleted scenes either or shifting around what was already there. I'd be the last one to criticise the acting, but there's a certain flatness to performances in places. I do wonder if Stuard Baird, not really knowing the characters, chose completely the wrong takes. Maybe I'm mistaking all that for an intended sombre mood. I'm watching all the extra features right now, and they're filming the opening wedding reception. There's much more playful reactions going on from the perspective of a behind the scenes team. I wonder if the camera caught footage earlier or later, not just there but throughout the movie, where the same lines are delivered differently. Knowing the dialogue to Nemesis inside and out, it's an interesting thing to hear the emphasis placed on different words. Perhaps a little more fun being exuded in places.
It's the opposite situation to Nick Meyer's preferred cut of Wrath of Khan. I can't tell you how much of the minute or two of material that was put back, some of it pulls me right out of it - being so accustomed to the theatrical version. The alternate takes mostly. It's way DeForest delivers the line completely differently, as well as that "flying death trap" moment which is very Bill. Great footage to see but ultimately still feels strange to me after all these years.
Mike Okuda makes an interesting observation pro-Stuart Baird's skill as an editor in the audio commentary. Remembering watching the first Superman movie on television in extended form, and how putting back extra scenes didn't improve it. I don't think that case necessarily applies to Nemesis. The action scenes are among the best of the Next Gen movies, but there's a lot else that missed its mark.
I know there was an incredibly moving piece of music Jerry Goldsmith did, that we can hear a brief snatch of during the end titles, then it's cut back to the TNG theme and everything ends. I liked how that piece underscored Data's death or imminent demise. Essentially it's a slower version of what we hear during the Dune Buggy chase but more of a lament. I assume there was more of it done, out there waiting to go an Extended album version. It should have featured during the movie. There's a quiet moment of reflection when he goes and it ought to have been an operatic sweeping shot with the Enterprise-E moving off, away from a cloud of Schmitar debris or the Basen Rift... mixed with his friends moving on, clearing his quarters out and all that. That piece of music over the top, telling the audience this is a tragic event.
Also there must be a way of reordering the film, to allow that first scene where Shinzon's allies assemble and keep the slow reveal, staircase introduction of him to Picard and the audience.
It's not just a question of deleted scenes either or shifting around what was already there. I'd be the last one to criticise the acting, but there's a certain flatness to performances in places. I do wonder if Stuard Baird, not really knowing the characters, chose completely the wrong takes. Maybe I'm mistaking all that for an intended sombre mood. I'm watching all the extra features right now, and they're filming the opening wedding reception. There's much more playful reactions going on from the perspective of a behind the scenes team. I wonder if the camera caught footage earlier or later, not just there but throughout the movie, where the same lines are delivered differently. Knowing the dialogue to Nemesis inside and out, it's an interesting thing to hear the emphasis placed on different words. Perhaps a little more fun being exuded in places.
It's the opposite situation to Nick Meyer's preferred cut of Wrath of Khan. I can't tell you how much of the minute or two of material that was put back, some of it pulls me right out of it - being so accustomed to the theatrical version. The alternate takes mostly. It's way DeForest delivers the line completely differently, as well as that "flying death trap" moment which is very Bill. Great footage to see but ultimately still feels strange to me after all these years.
Mike Okuda makes an interesting observation pro-Stuart Baird's skill as an editor in the audio commentary. Remembering watching the first Superman movie on television in extended form, and how putting back extra scenes didn't improve it. I don't think that case necessarily applies to Nemesis. The action scenes are among the best of the Next Gen movies, but there's a lot else that missed its mark.
I know there was an incredibly moving piece of music Jerry Goldsmith did, that we can hear a brief snatch of during the end titles, then it's cut back to the TNG theme and everything ends. I liked how that piece underscored Data's death or imminent demise. Essentially it's a slower version of what we hear during the Dune Buggy chase but more of a lament. I assume there was more of it done, out there waiting to go an Extended album version. It should have featured during the movie. There's a quiet moment of reflection when he goes and it ought to have been an operatic sweeping shot with the Enterprise-E moving off, away from a cloud of Schmitar debris or the Basen Rift... mixed with his friends moving on, clearing his quarters out and all that. That piece of music over the top, telling the audience this is a tragic event.
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