Deleted Scenes

[los2188]

Does anyone know where I can find deleted scenes for....I know it sucked, but I'm asking anyway....for Star Trek V, Generations(not what's already on youtube and the DVD), or maybe even First Contact?? Which movie suffered the most in having deleted scenes cut from the movie?? My opinion...Nemesis.

 

[Christopher]

Which movie suffered the most in having deleted scenes cut from the movie?? My opinion...Nemesis.

Definitely. Cutting the Picard/Data scene after the wedding reception was a huge mistake, since that was a very important scene for establishing the thematic arcs of the film.

On the other hand, they could've deleted the entire dune-buggy chase and it would've had zero impact on the story.

 

[Brikar99]

Which movie suffered the most in having deleted scenes cut from the movie?? My opinion...Nemesis.

Definitely. Cutting the Picard/Data scene after the wedding reception was a huge mistake, since that was a very important scene for establishing the thematic arcs of the film.

On the other hand, they could've deleted the entire dune-buggy chase and it would've had zero impact on the story.

It's a competently-made action sequence, but you're right... it's essentially useless. I think a good deal of the cut footage from that movie should be put back in, and other stuff needs to be reordered.

I like "Nemesis" as it is, flaws and all, but I firmly believe it could use some serious revisions.

 

[Pineapples101]

Lot's of info on various ST deleted scenes here:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Deleted_scene

 

[Christopher]

I like "Nemesis" as it is, flaws and all, but I firmly believe it could use some serious revisions.

Agreed. It's one of my favorite Trek movies, but it does have some major flaws. Then again, they all do.

 

[DWF]

On the other hand, they could've deleted the entire dune-buggy chase and it would've had zero impact on the story.

Other than removing B-4 from the plot your right it'd have no impact in the plot at all. It was the first action scene of the movie and I too thought it was well done.

 

[Iamnotspock]

Definitely. Cutting the Picard/Data scene after the wedding reception was a huge mistake, since that was a very important scene for establishing the thematic arcs of the film.

I love the introduction to that scene on the DVD, where Rick Berman states that he doesn't believe there was anything taken out of the movie that didn't belong to be taken out. Then it cuts to Patrick Stewart saying; "There was a very important scene that was sadly lost..."

 

[Brikar99]

On the other hand, they could've deleted the entire dune-buggy chase and it would've had zero impact on the story.

Other than removing B-4 from the plot your right it'd have no impact in the plot at all. It was the first action scene of the movie and I too thought it was well done.

Removing the chase itself wouldn't remove B-4 from the plot; it happened after they'd found all the body parts. Then, randomly, a bunch of aliens appear and start shooting just because someone thought there needed to be 'splosions or people would get bored. While there's a certain logic to that, the scene still has no impact on anything. It's never mentioned again and has no repercussions, so the crew could simply have returned to the ship and no one would have guessed they'd missed a big badass action sequence.

 

[DWF]

On the other hand, they could've deleted the entire dune-buggy chase and it would've had zero impact on the story.

Other than removing B-4 from the plot your right it'd have no impact in the plot at all. It was the first action scene of the movie and I too thought it was well done.

Removing the chase itself wouldn't remove B-4 from the plot; it happened after they'd found all the body parts. Then, randomly, a bunch of aliens appear and start shooting just because someone thought there needed to be 'splosions or people would get bored. While there's a certain logic to that, the scene still has no impact on anything. It's never mentioned again and has no repercussions, so the crew could simply have returned to the ship and no one would have guessed they'd missed a big badass action sequence.

That's true however Picard noted about how easy it was to find B-4's body parts but I do think Shinzon wanted B-4 on the Enterprise without raising Picard's suspicions.

 

[ChristopherPike]

I don't know. A non-Trek friend of mine commented back in the day that nothing much happens until half way through. But take away the Dune Buggy scene (local aliens driving Picard and co off Kolaris) and even less to interest a broader audience happens.

I remember Patrick Stewart doing Top Gear's "Star in a Reasonably Priced Car", essentially promoting the film and they played that whole clip ending with it making the jump into the shuttle. There was applause after and not just from Jeremy Clarkson. A car stunt in a Star Trek movie. They laid themselves open to accusations of dumbing down, but we can say the same of Young Kirk's antics too. Both scenes are there to stroke the ego of their respective Captains.

 

[los2188]

On the other hand, they could've deleted the entire dune-buggy chase and it would've had zero impact on the story.

Other than removing B-4 from the plot your right it'd have no impact in the plot at all. It was the first action scene of the movie and I too thought it was well done.

Removing the chase itself wouldn't remove B-4 from the plot; it happened after they'd found all the body parts. Then, randomly, a bunch of aliens appear and start shooting just because someone thought there needed to be 'splosions or people would get bored. While there's a certain logic to that, the scene still has no impact on anything. It's never mentioned again and has no repercussions, so the crew could simply have returned to the ship and no one would have guessed they'd missed a big badass action sequence.

What gets me about that chase scene as lame and not
necessary as it is, is that even with that there's no....imagination to it. The Argo?? A dune buggy??? Really?? That was the best they could come up with?? Really?? Why cut out the character moments for that??

 

[Christopher]

Removing the chase itself wouldn't remove B-4 from the plot; it happened after they'd found all the body parts.

Exactly. If I could recut the film, I'd cut right from the discovery of B-4's head to the scene in sickbay.

I don't know. A non-Trek friend of mine commented back in the day that nothing much happens until half way through. But take away the Dune Buggy scene (local aliens driving Picard and co off Kolaris) and even less to interest a broader audience happens.

True, it's the only significant action sequence in the first half of the film, but it's an action sequence that's only there for the sake of having an action sequence. I can understand the need to put in an action sequence for the sake of audiences who expect such things, but they should've found a way to create a scene that arose from the story they were telling, rather than randomly sticking in a chase that had no connection to anything else in the film.

 

[Dukhat]

The thing about the dune buggy scene is that it makes no sense logically. Shinzon was the one who hid B4 on Kolarus. Why? Because he wanted Picard to find B4 so he'd take him back to the Enterprise.

So why:

a. Break B4 into six segments and bury them far away from each other? What was the point of that? It just made the rescue take far longer than it should have. Even if Shinzon originally found B4 in segments, why not just bury the segments together?

b. Why hide B4 on a planet where Picard was sure to encounter hostile natives with laser guns? Picard could have been killed, and where would Shinzon be then? Either Shinzon didn't know there were hostile aliens (which is hard to believe), or the Kolarans were working for Shinzon and only pretending to attack Picard (which was not hinted at in the movie at all).

IMHO, the dune buggy scene was pointless and stupid. Hell, why didn't Shinzon just give B4 to Picard once the Enterprise arrived at Romulus? That would have been a hell of a peace offering that Shinzon could have taken advantage of later on.

 

[FatherRob]

Does anyone know where I can find deleted scenes for....I know it sucked, but I'm asking anyway....for Star Trek V, Generations(not what's already on youtube and the DVD), or maybe even First Contact?? Which movie suffered the most in having deleted scenes cut from the movie?? My opinion...Nemesis.

I find myself missing the Geordi torture-to-heart-attack scene in Generations. Without it, Soran's statement about 'his heart just wasn't in it' makes little sense. (Though, someone remind me... did that actually make it to film, or was it just in the novel and early drafts of the script... I can't recall off the top of my head.)

I was glad to see the 'deleted scenes' (AKA the "ABC exclusive scenes) restored to TWOK. That helped the story. In fact, director's cut DVD is pretty much a perfect version of the story.

IMHO, the dune buggy scene was pointless and stupid. Hell, why didn't Shinzon just give B4 to Picard once the Enterprise arrived at Romulus? That would have been a hell of a peace offering than Shinzon could have taken advantage of later on.

That makes far more sense than what we got, and sounds like it could be an outstanding plot point.

Rob+

 

[los2188]

I find myself missing the Geordi torture-to-heart-attack scene in Generations. Without it, Soran's statement about 'his heart just wasn't in it' makes little sense. (Though, someone remind me... did that actually make it to film, or was it just in the novel and early drafts of the script... I can't recall off the top of my head.)

I'm sure this will raise an eyebrow or two, but I do remember clearly the torture scene along with the shower scene, the expanded emotional seizure Data scene, and a few others. The only scene that I don't recall is the scene with Chekov, Scotty, Harriman, and Demora Sulu after they went back to the bridge after they realized that Kirk was gone. I also seem to recall an expanded scene the Guianan and Picard had where she tells him not to go to the Nexus and to let Starfleet send another ship to handle Soran. I know it's in the script, but I do have a vague memory of that. Am I mistaken?? Anyone know??

 

[Christopher]

The thing about the dune buggy scene is that it makes no sense logically. Shinzon was the one who hid B4 on Kolarus. Why? Because he wanted Picard to find B4 so he'd take him back to the Enterprise.

So why:

a. Break B4 into six segments and bury them far away from each other? What was the point of that? It just made the rescue take far longer than it should have. Even if Shinzon originally found B4 in segments, why not just bury the segments together?

I think the idea was not to make the crew suspicious that it was a trap by making them have to work to retrieve B-4. They wouldn't suspect a Trojan Horse if they thought it was something abandoned that they needed to unearth (although, granted, leaving the pieces just scattered in the open like that to be collected did feel contrived, like a video-game level). Which also explains why he didn't just give them B-4 -- that would've made them more wary of B-4 so they'd keep more of an eye on him. B-4 could only do his job if nobody suspected he was connected with Shinzon.

b. Why hide B4 on a planet where Picard was sure to encounter hostile natives with laser guns? Picard could have been killed, and where would Shinzon be then?

Well, I'd hardly say "sure to," because B-4's parts were in a remote area and it was quite a while before the Kolarans arrived. With a little more luck, they could've been in and out before anyone came to investigate.

I was glad to see the 'deleted scenes' (AKA the "ABC exclusive scenes) restored to TWOK. That helped the story. In fact, director's cut DVD is pretty much a perfect version of the story.

Somewhat, yeah, but I found all the Peter Preston stuff painfully melodramatic.

And many of the restored scenes in the home video version of TUC are pointless. There's this one scene in a Jefferies tube or something that's just repeating stuff we're told elsewhere, and there's a moment in it where you can see part of the set shaking when an actor's weight is put on it. Sure, there's the Colonel West stuff, but I don't know if that really added anything important to the story.

 

[Dukhat]

I think the idea was not to make the crew suspicious that it was a trap by making them have to work to retrieve B-4. They wouldn't suspect a Trojan Horse if they thought it was something abandoned that they needed to unearth.

Oh, I understand the intent. But it still doesn't make sense to hide B4 on Kolarus (see next.)

Well, I'd hardly say "sure to," because B-4's parts were in a remote area and it was quite a while before the Kolarans arrived. With a little more luck, they could've been in and out before anyone came to investigate.

But again, why even have the remotest chance that Picard could come to danger? Why not just bury B4 on an uninhabited planet? Shinzon needed Picard's blood to survive. If I needed someone's blood to survive, the last thing I'd do is send that person on some wild goose-chase where there's even a small possibility that said person could be hurt or killed.

(I know, I know: You can't have an action-pack'd car chase on an uninhabited planet )

 

[DWF]

I think the idea was not to make the crew suspicious that it was a trap by making them have to work to retrieve B-4. They wouldn't suspect a Trojan Horse if they thought it was something abandoned that they needed to unearth.

Oh, I understand the intent. But it still doesn't make sense to hide B4 on Kolarus (see next.)

Well, I'd hardly say "sure to," because B-4's parts were in a remote area and it was quite a while before the Kolarans arrived. With a little more luck, they could've been in and out before anyone came to investigate.

But again, why even have the remotest chance that Picard could come to danger? Why not just bury B4 on an uninhabited planet? Shinzon needed Picard's blood to survive. If I needed someone's blood to survive, the last thing I'd do is send that person on some wild goose-chase where there's even a small possibility that said person could be hurt or killed.

(I know, I know: You can't have an action-pack'd car chase on an uninhabited planet )

They put B-4 on a planet close to the Romulan neutral zone to lure the Enterprise within range and reguest the presence of the Enterprise for peace talks.

 

[Christopher]

But again, why even have the remotest chance that Picard could come to danger? Why not just bury B4 on an uninhabited planet? Shinzon needed Picard's blood to survive. If I needed someone's blood to survive, the last thing I'd do is send that person on some wild goose-chase where there's even a small possibility that said person could be hurt or killed.

Yes, that's a fair point. I'm just saying what I think the filmmakers' intent was, but I agree that the whole Kolarus sidebar was a bad idea.

Maybe they should've gone to Romulus earlier in the film to enter into peace talks with Shinzon, and had to fight alongside Shinzon to fend off an attempted countercoup by militant Romulan loyalists who were trying to use B-4 to impersonate Data and infiltrate the peace talks. That would give you an early action sequence serving to introduce B-4 into the story, one that would serve a story purpose by reinforcing the early bonding between Picard and Shinzon and the hopes for an alliance. Then, during the sequence where they're studying B-4, there could be some throwaway exposition about how Romulan intelligence came into possession of a Soong prototype. And it would later turn out that the loyalist attack was actually staged by Shinzon to get B-4 onto the Enterprise. Or something like that.

 

[Mysterion]

(I know, I know: You can't have an action-pack'd car chase on an uninhabited planet )

I suspect that some one somewhere along the line had it in mind to sell toy Star Trek(tm) dune-buggies.