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Defiance Season 2 Discussion
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A fleet can only move as fast as it's slowest ship.
The ship under Defiance arrived in the tenth century and was expected to terraform the planet so that when the Arks arrived in 1000 years everything would have normalized withou the need for constant fiddling and mantinence form the nanite colonie surrounding the spires.
The visions/memories Irsa is having is of two crewmen on the ship, one that looks like her, and the other looks like the Meeko the Jewish lawyer we just met, decided to go against the group, stop the terraforming and save simple barabric humanity... By killing everyone else on board.
Earlier in the thread when I said that the characters in the visions may not look like Irisa and Meeko, I don't think I went far enough... What if they were not people at all?
A ship that can move twice as fast as the ark fleet is going to have some issues with life support, otherwise the Ark fleet would be moving that fast, since it's likely that the first thing to die in such a stressful enviroment are the biologics.
All the crew were AI.
The figures that look like Meego and Irsa are the avatars of the Knots in a virtual represantation of the ship making their point violently with other avatars of other aspects of the ship.
They are lovers.
Inside Irisa right now, they are making love.
A lot.
The ship under Defiance arrived in the tenth century and was expected to terraform the planet so that when the Arks arrived in 1000 years everything would have normalized withou the need for constant fiddling and mantinence form the nanite colonie surrounding the spires.
The visions/memories Irsa is having is of two crewmen on the ship, one that looks like her, and the other looks like the Meeko the Jewish lawyer we just met, decided to go against the group, stop the terraforming and save simple barabric humanity... By killing everyone else on board.
Earlier in the thread when I said that the characters in the visions may not look like Irisa and Meeko, I don't think I went far enough... What if they were not people at all?
A ship that can move twice as fast as the ark fleet is going to have some issues with life support, otherwise the Ark fleet would be moving that fast, since it's likely that the first thing to die in such a stressful enviroment are the biologics.
All the crew were AI.
The figures that look like Meego and Irsa are the avatars of the Knots in a virtual represantation of the ship making their point violently with other avatars of other aspects of the ship.
They are lovers.
Inside Irisa right now, they are making love.
A lot.
Is that why she keeps making new fiber optic babies out of hapless shoppers?
In the event of a catastrophic loss of civilization, the tools to rebuild that society have to be protected from assholes yet be common place enough that eventually someone is going to be smart enough to use them wisely and rebuild society.
You've seen TNG The Chase.
If the keys are not putting something into these people, who are chosen precisely for unknown reasons, they may be taking something out of them.
Why not information encoded into their DNA, or nanite information depository legacies that replicate and track down through family trees?
Hmmm.
It does seem freakishly odd that something as advanced as the knot wouldn't already have billions of books in a tiny corner of it's mainframe which covers the gamut of Voltan technology...
But what about locked sectors in the key you need a key to get into?
(Like Russian nesting dolls? Keys inside keys inside keys.)
If the ship left 50 years before the Ark fleet, because one small ship getting ready is much easier than a hundred big ones, they can't trust that the same people will be in charge down the line, but with how wealth and power works, maybe their children or grandchildren, the same families, will be, so the key to the keys is familiar DNA, and for some reason the key only wants to take DNA from stomach linings.
You've seen TNG The Chase.
If the keys are not putting something into these people, who are chosen precisely for unknown reasons, they may be taking something out of them.
Why not information encoded into their DNA, or nanite information depository legacies that replicate and track down through family trees?
Hmmm.
It does seem freakishly odd that something as advanced as the knot wouldn't already have billions of books in a tiny corner of it's mainframe which covers the gamut of Voltan technology...
But what about locked sectors in the key you need a key to get into?
(Like Russian nesting dolls? Keys inside keys inside keys.)
If the ship left 50 years before the Ark fleet, because one small ship getting ready is much easier than a hundred big ones, they can't trust that the same people will be in charge down the line, but with how wealth and power works, maybe their children or grandchildren, the same families, will be, so the key to the keys is familiar DNA, and for some reason the key only wants to take DNA from stomach linings.
Irizu (the girl goddess) must be a manifestation of the fiber-optic AI alien on the ship. So she's not a goddess per se in the Irathient sense of the word?
That's my interpretation, anyway.
The AI has appropriated a figure from religion, because it feels that the Irathients at large currently are too stupid to cope with it without mummery.
The religion is thousands of years old before the arks left, while the ship and the knots were made probably only a few months to a year before they left for Earth.
Or course that being said, maybe their religion is worshipping technology, and in the two or three generations since they got to Earth the unwashed filth forgot that... Because after all, religion is just a tool to control the surface population and maintain a moral order.
The religion is thousands of years old before the arks left, while the ship and the knots were made probably only a few months to a year before they left for Earth.
Or course that being said, maybe their religion is worshipping technology, and in the two or three generations since they got to Earth the unwashed filth forgot that... Because after all, religion is just a tool to control the surface population and maintain a moral order.
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Don't be so rude.
All women have an innate mystery to them worth solving somewhere.
Anyone kinda freaked out by the description of New York?
Manhatten Valley, population = 47 Thousand.
Compared to...
Population (2013) • Total 1,626,159[1] •
Density 70,825.6/sq mi (27,345.9/km2) •
Demonym Manhattanite
1.6 million?
What the fuck happened?
In 1948, there were 8 million stories in the naked city!
Did every bastard have at least 8 stories?
Or were they counting all of New York City and not just Manhattan?
Population [5] •
Estimate (2013) 8,405,837[4] •
Rank 1st, U.S. •
Density 27,778.7/sq mi (10,725.4/km2) •
Well that makes a lot more Sense.
But still 47,000?
It's almost like a terraspike was fired directly at New York when the Arks fell.
All women have an innate mystery to them worth solving somewhere.
Anyone kinda freaked out by the description of New York?
Manhatten Valley, population = 47 Thousand.
Compared to...
Population (2013) • Total 1,626,159[1] •
Density 70,825.6/sq mi (27,345.9/km2) •
Demonym Manhattanite
1.6 million?
What the fuck happened?
In 1948, there were 8 million stories in the naked city!
Did every bastard have at least 8 stories?
Or were they counting all of New York City and not just Manhattan?
Population [5] •
Estimate (2013) 8,405,837[4] •
Rank 1st, U.S. •
Density 27,778.7/sq mi (10,725.4/km2) •
Well that makes a lot more Sense.
But still 47,000?
It's almost like a terraspike was fired directly at New York when the Arks fell.
Yes I mourned for poor New York. Well not really, but it was an eyeopener. This is the center of government for E-Rep, yes? 47,000.
I guess I'm never going to get my rubenesque brothel madam Kenya back.
WHERE HAS SHE BEEN. All this time. What will she say to Stahma.
"We don't want reconciliation". That was a great scene. A lot of stuff happened in this episode. I lol'd at Tommy, bending over like Harry, as Stahma told him all about how Berlin is boffing Nolan.
I guess I'm never going to get my rubenesque brothel madam Kenya back.
WHERE HAS SHE BEEN. All this time. What will she say to Stahma.
"We don't want reconciliation". That was a great scene. A lot of stuff happened in this episode. I lol'd at Tommy, bending over like Harry, as Stahma told him all about how Berlin is boffing Nolan.
Here's the problem I have with terms like Rubinesque.
Past the age of 25, skinny bitches do not exist except within extreme statistical anomalies of wealth or poor health.
Compared to any random model in a magazine, who is probably 18 and not going to make it past 21 because of heroin, maybe the actress is a little rectangular, but rectangular is still better than square, which is the shape I see most.
An hour ago I started reading some terminator comics, written in 1989 and set in 2031... I'm not sure if what I am seeing is incredibly racist or incredibly naive, but a Terminator has found an African village that seems to have had no contact with the 20th century whatsofucking ever, so it's a machine gun toting robot vs Aborigonal Bushmen with bows and arrows.
Past the age of 25, skinny bitches do not exist except within extreme statistical anomalies of wealth or poor health.
Compared to any random model in a magazine, who is probably 18 and not going to make it past 21 because of heroin, maybe the actress is a little rectangular, but rectangular is still better than square, which is the shape I see most.
An hour ago I started reading some terminator comics, written in 1989 and set in 2031... I'm not sure if what I am seeing is incredibly racist or incredibly naive, but a Terminator has found an African village that seems to have had no contact with the 20th century whatsofucking ever, so it's a machine gun toting robot vs Aborigonal Bushmen with bows and arrows.
Rubenesque is an attitude, a psychological type. Not just a body shape.
Kenya was Rubenesque. Now she looks like a hunted squirrel, and yes in a wig. A PLASTIC WIG. You know Defiance people, messed up hair from adventures in the bush is sexy, we don't want or need a plastic wig.
Kenya was Rubenesque. Now she looks like a hunted squirrel, and yes in a wig. A PLASTIC WIG. You know Defiance people, messed up hair from adventures in the bush is sexy, we don't want or need a plastic wig.
I had a similar feeling about The 100.
In the beginning they were too clean.
Too Seedoubleyouey.
The filth and complete lack of hair products did them a world of good.
Oh.
Donna, the wife from Halt and Catch fire.
Beautiful actress.
Somehow she made that 80s fashion and hair work.
A minor miracle.
But the character's life went to shit near the end.
Stopped bathing, and stopped washing her hair.
It looked good.
(Actually, it looked modern.)
It's almost as if we should ask fashion to stop and the make up factories to quit it.
In the beginning they were too clean.
Too Seedoubleyouey.
The filth and complete lack of hair products did them a world of good.
Oh.
Donna, the wife from Halt and Catch fire.
Beautiful actress.
Somehow she made that 80s fashion and hair work.
A minor miracle.
But the character's life went to shit near the end.
Stopped bathing, and stopped washing her hair.
It looked good.
(Actually, it looked modern.)
It's almost as if we should ask fashion to stop and the make up factories to quit it.
Was that good? I am very fond of post apocalypse.
I just watched the latest Extant. There is one intriguing character.
I just watched the latest Extant. There is one intriguing character.
it seems that you and I have different definitions of the word intriguing?
Or did a new character arrive yesterday?
Wait, you missed The 100?
It's a little Smallville in the beginning, and you want to kill people for making stupid decisions, even though at their worst they're still twice as smart as anyone on Under the Dumb...
It gets quite dark in the middle.
Tie people up and cut bits off them until they get with the program dark.
Only 13 episodes, and it's already been renewed for season 2.
Get a friend, some booze, and home made pizza, then knock it out in a Sunday.
Or did a new character arrive yesterday?
Wait, you missed The 100?
It's a little Smallville in the beginning, and you want to kill people for making stupid decisions, even though at their worst they're still twice as smart as anyone on Under the Dumb...
It gets quite dark in the middle.
Tie people up and cut bits off them until they get with the program dark.
Only 13 episodes, and it's already been renewed for season 2.
Get a friend, some booze, and home made pizza, then knock it out in a Sunday.
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Yeah I totally missed it but will catch up. Why does the pizza have to be home made?
No this character, Julie, has some interesting psychological bits, she is yearning for Goran or whatever his name is and the robot boy and also she has..
And yeah this is intriguing compared to the rest of them who are all still very smooth like they have been squeezed from a tube except the dad who is such an embarrassing cliche you can't look.
No this character, Julie, has some interesting psychological bits, she is yearning for Goran or whatever his name is and the robot boy and also she has..
Biomechanical legs and who knows what else is biomechanical, it could be lots of her!
And yeah this is intriguing compared to the rest of them who are all still very smooth like they have been squeezed from a tube except the dad who is such an embarrassing cliche you can't look.
I liked the sheriff who got pissy that he'd been mobilizing hundreds of civilian volunteers in the dark and the rain to find a lost toaster.
FINALLY! A perfectly normal reaction to the psychoses of these nutjobs, our heroes.
"Captain Berlin" sounds like a superhero codename.
She's a lot more effective than Berlin from the Blacklist.
FINALLY! A perfectly normal reaction to the psychoses of these nutjobs, our heroes.
"Captain Berlin" sounds like a superhero codename.
She's a lot more effective than Berlin from the Blacklist.
This week was kind of meh. Not bad, but I've seen better. Really, I never actually believed Kenya was dead to begin with, so the only thing that surprised me about her return was that they didn't wait until the finale to bring her back, as I had been predicting.
Otherwise, things were rather plodding and at times didn't make much sense. I don't care if he is now on E-Rep's payroll, I can't picture Nolan being so okay with using alien worms to drill through a guy's arm to get information, even with thousands of innocent lives at risk. And why did the Irathient spy give up the bomb's location with his dying breath? Did it not occur to him that maybe the Votanis Collective had him killed to protect their secret? Or do they not engage in such activities?
Irisa's storyline didn't interest me too much. I like they are now leaning towards a rational and scientific reason for all this rather than it actually being a god, but it really doesn't interest me that much. Although, should we assume that all the ones "infected" for lack of a better term also have Irisa's instant healing? I guess when they do make their play, that'll make them a bit of a significant threat.
I kind of found it amusing, now that he's an E-Rep military goon, Tommy now talks in a gruff voice that comes off pretty bad. I don't know if this is intentional by the actor, to show that Tommy is now acting tougher than he really is, or if he really has trouble pulling off a gruff voice, but it is amusing all the same.
And did that E-Rep soldier actually go to the brothel in full uniform and combat gear? Even if he is planning on staying the night, wouldn't it be more practical to keep at the very least his combat gear in his locker at his base or something? Unless you're planning for some weird and kinky stuff, what is the point in that stuff with you to a brothel?
In the end, what this episode sets up for the remaining episodes of this season interests me more than the actual episode did. With Kenya back in town, she's going to spill that it was Stahma who drugged her and sent her to the Votanis Collective, leading to her inevitable arrest. With the brothel spy gone, Datak and Rafe's plans are up in smoke too.
Otherwise, things were rather plodding and at times didn't make much sense. I don't care if he is now on E-Rep's payroll, I can't picture Nolan being so okay with using alien worms to drill through a guy's arm to get information, even with thousands of innocent lives at risk. And why did the Irathient spy give up the bomb's location with his dying breath? Did it not occur to him that maybe the Votanis Collective had him killed to protect their secret? Or do they not engage in such activities?
Irisa's storyline didn't interest me too much. I like they are now leaning towards a rational and scientific reason for all this rather than it actually being a god, but it really doesn't interest me that much. Although, should we assume that all the ones "infected" for lack of a better term also have Irisa's instant healing? I guess when they do make their play, that'll make them a bit of a significant threat.
I kind of found it amusing, now that he's an E-Rep military goon, Tommy now talks in a gruff voice that comes off pretty bad. I don't know if this is intentional by the actor, to show that Tommy is now acting tougher than he really is, or if he really has trouble pulling off a gruff voice, but it is amusing all the same.
And did that E-Rep soldier actually go to the brothel in full uniform and combat gear? Even if he is planning on staying the night, wouldn't it be more practical to keep at the very least his combat gear in his locker at his base or something? Unless you're planning for some weird and kinky stuff, what is the point in that stuff with you to a brothel?
In the end, what this episode sets up for the remaining episodes of this season interests me more than the actual episode did. With Kenya back in town, she's going to spill that it was Stahma who drugged her and sent her to the Votanis Collective, leading to her inevitable arrest. With the brothel spy gone, Datak and Rafe's plans are up in smoke too.
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