What a fop, eh.
Defiance Season 2 Discussion
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An enjoyable character episode. I especially like the way the team of Datak and Rafe is developing, and the scene between Datak and Yewll was hilarious as usual. Robin Dunne did a really good job as the Irathient Jew. And we're starting to learn the oogy-boogy really does originate from a ship's control computer. A bit predictable that Christy was being manipulated by her new BFF who is now putting the moves on Allak, but whatever. Although, with Allak and Dierdre now sleeping together and Datak sleeping with that maid at the beginning, add Nolan with Berlin and the implied Amanda with Pottinger last week and Christy getting friendly with Mercado, it seems no one is actually sleeping with who they're supposed to. I wonder if this is all just going to culminate in an orgy in which the whole cast (main and supporting) partake?
Nice to see the club being developed with reactions from the actual Castithans to the place. And we got some development with Nolan finally discovering Irisa's instant healing power.
So Rinn has returned to Defiance seeking assistance to look for Sukar, who has gone missing. I thought the other Irathients now feared Sukar and wanted nothing to do with him. So how do they realize a hermit living on his own in woods has gone missing, and why do they care?
Not really clear on the end. We see Yewll placing an eye patch on Rinn's empty socket. Can't the eye be replaced? After all, evil doctor was doing actual eye transplants and sticking eyes from one person onto someone else, surely returning an eye to its original owner can't be that much more difficult?
Nice to see the club being developed with reactions from the actual Castithans to the place. And we got some development with Nolan finally discovering Irisa's instant healing power.
So Rinn has returned to Defiance seeking assistance to look for Sukar, who has gone missing. I thought the other Irathients now feared Sukar and wanted nothing to do with him. So how do they realize a hermit living on his own in woods has gone missing, and why do they care?
Not really clear on the end. We see Yewll placing an eye patch on Rinn's empty socket. Can't the eye be replaced? After all, evil doctor was doing actual eye transplants and sticking eyes from one person onto someone else, surely returning an eye to its original owner can't be that much more difficult?
The interspecies sex really bugs me on an intellectual level. I used to be able to let it slide with Star Trek, but for some reason it bugs me here.
Just once I'd like to see an alien and human start to get naked and then both go screaming from the room when they see what's hidden under each other's clothes.
Just once I'd like to see an alien and human start to get naked and then both go screaming from the room when they see what's hidden under each other's clothes.
Mister Fandango
Fleet Captain
At least here, it's fairly obvious that most, if not all, of the species are somehow related. Not just sexually (which even then is pretty stupid considering that the Votans would have to be more of a breed than a species), but for the rest of the story to make any sense. Like, for instance, them knowing to come to Earth in the first place. Despite the distance and the likelihood of there being hundreds if not thousands of other life-sustaining planets out there. Considering, you know, that they all had to have come from separate worlds to begin with in the first place. Unless there's some genetic twinking going on, hence bringing us back to the everyone's-related bit.
This is as opposed to Star Trek where the all-the-humanoids-are-related bit was some retroactive bullshit.
This is as opposed to Star Trek where the all-the-humanoids-are-related bit was some retroactive bullshit.
if you read the wiki entry for Defiance and go the stuff on the various species of Votan the producers have decided on compatibility with humans (so even before Christie and Allak, it was listed as Castis could reproduce with humans).
"decided on" does nothing to make it plausible.
In our world no, in theirs it's more a case of myth confirmed.
And lets not forget Star Trek has had interspecies breeding since 1966 so why should if be different between Castiphans and Humans as opposed to Vulcans and Humans?
Yes they are Velocity, despite growing up in a tough world. I suppose Christie was the princess being the only girl in a wealthy and influential family. Now she has to fit in where everyone else seems more pandered to than her. And of course naive and idealistic in her romance not to know that this would not stay monogamous.
Even though she says it's to understand her husband better it's obviously a thrill of rebellion too, sneaking away to a hidden club. I liked how she did the whole Casti female deference thing when asking the guy to dance with her.
One thing I was admiring this ep was the diversity they show in the alien races. The Irathient Jew's hair was done quite differently than we've seen with them.
Even though she says it's to understand her husband better it's obviously a thrill of rebellion too, sneaking away to a hidden club. I liked how she did the whole Casti female deference thing when asking the guy to dance with her.
One thing I was admiring this ep was the diversity they show in the alien races. The Irathient Jew's hair was done quite differently than we've seen with them.
Have scientists done all the experiments necessary to make super sure that there isn't an animal that man can have babies with?
Once they had the technology to do that 50 years ago without actually having to find someone willing to fuck a bear or a raccoon, you would think that it would have been the first thing science would want to rule out or make sure was hushed up.
Once they had the technology to do that 50 years ago without actually having to find someone willing to fuck a bear or a raccoon, you would think that it would have been the first thing science would want to rule out or make sure was hushed up.
Mister Fandango
Fleet Captain
Considering that the Biomen are every bit as alien as most of the Votans, and moreso than some, and the fact that humans created them from their own stem cells, just drives home the fact that there's something fishy going on about everyone being related somehow.
I did not realize that they are a human invention.
Wow. The show is better, much better but they are still reticent about empire building that I would notice.
The Bioman experiments started in the year 2000, which really explains why the US government "currently" is so prissy about stem cell research, because they were hoarding as much as possible to make super weapons.
How many dead babies does it take to make a Bioman?
100?
Wow. The show is better, much better but they are still reticent about empire building that I would notice.
The Bioman experiments started in the year 2000, which really explains why the US government "currently" is so prissy about stem cell research, because they were hoarding as much as possible to make super weapons.
How many dead babies does it take to make a Bioman?
100?
How do wealthy people get a bioman to be their Mr. Homm? Do they buy one?
The wiki says that they were uncontrollable killing machines that ate Votans and shat rage.
The statistical anomaly of Biomen that could actually survive in a nonwarzone are the ones still pottering about...but you would think that there would be some sort of Bioman rights advocate as much as when American fell that someone thought that maybe Slavery wasn't such a bad idea after all, it's just a question of who was going to be enslaved? Probably the Votans.
That whole handmaiden thing last night sounds a lot like slavery to me.
The statistical anomaly of Biomen that could actually survive in a nonwarzone are the ones still pottering about...but you would think that there would be some sort of Bioman rights advocate as much as when American fell that someone thought that maybe Slavery wasn't such a bad idea after all, it's just a question of who was going to be enslaved? Probably the Votans.
That whole handmaiden thing last night sounds a lot like slavery to me.
Mister Fandango
Fleet Captain
It's not like the technology to create them was lost. The Earth Republic could be making them by the dozens just in case the Votans decide to attack again.
But here's the tricky bit... If the Votans discover that man is building biomen again, they will in turn start building their own super weapons.
Which gets us back into a MAD situation unless one side feels that they have a clear advantage.
War at the moment is about land and resources, which means that a war against the Votans is basically ethnic cleansing if they are all already integrated and naturalized into whatever region are they have settled into, that humans will stand up for their neighbours and you have to kill half the people in your own country that are paying taxes who happen to be Voltan. This was a problem Germany had to deal with in the 30s, the labour shortages and the brain drain (skilled labour) from exterminating the Jews was going to severely fuck up their economy for the next twenty years even if everything else went perfectly.
A war is when two armies fight.
Although everyone that shares border with Brazil might have a different philosophy.
Although, again they may not be building soldier class biomen, when really considering the resources at hand, the lack of hospitals and collection facilities makes harvesting stem sells in the future as difficult as the law used to make it now.
Which gets us back into a MAD situation unless one side feels that they have a clear advantage.
War at the moment is about land and resources, which means that a war against the Votans is basically ethnic cleansing if they are all already integrated and naturalized into whatever region are they have settled into, that humans will stand up for their neighbours and you have to kill half the people in your own country that are paying taxes who happen to be Voltan. This was a problem Germany had to deal with in the 30s, the labour shortages and the brain drain (skilled labour) from exterminating the Jews was going to severely fuck up their economy for the next twenty years even if everything else went perfectly.
A war is when two armies fight.
Although everyone that shares border with Brazil might have a different philosophy.
Although, again they may not be building soldier class biomen, when really considering the resources at hand, the lack of hospitals and collection facilities makes harvesting stem sells in the future as difficult as the law used to make it now.
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Christie's insecurity will be the undoing of her marriage. Alak loves her for who she is, and she pretends to be a Castithan and flirts with anonymous people at a nightclub because she feels empowered by the experience? Alak isn't so smart either; he should've seen through Deidre's motives. I was hoping for him to throw her out of the arch by the end of the episode.
For once, I was glad Stahma wasn't trying to hurt Datak by possibly framing him for Jalina's death; it was a surgeon who was harvesting Votan eyes from live donors.
There's still a lot we don't know about the "fiber optic" alien plot. Was it really Irisa aboard the Votan ship in the flashback? Nolan mentioned before that he rescued Irisa when she was a little girl.
For once, I was glad Stahma wasn't trying to hurt Datak by possibly framing him for Jalina's death; it was a surgeon who was harvesting Votan eyes from live donors.
There's still a lot we don't know about the "fiber optic" alien plot. Was it really Irisa aboard the Votan ship in the flashback? Nolan mentioned before that he rescued Irisa when she was a little girl.
What happened in the ship was a thousand yeas ago.
Irisa however is a sleeper agent working for the technology inside her, foolishly believing the lies it tells her.
If you want to be super literal you can suggest that she is a clone of the girl from 1000 years ago that saved the planet from being terraformed, or you might just believe that Irisa was programmed to remember whoever that girl was, that they had the same face, when they probably didn't.
The first clue of which is that she is watching a movie of the character in her dreams and not seeing out of her eyes.
Irisa however is a sleeper agent working for the technology inside her, foolishly believing the lies it tells her.
If you want to be super literal you can suggest that she is a clone of the girl from 1000 years ago that saved the planet from being terraformed, or you might just believe that Irisa was programmed to remember whoever that girl was, that they had the same face, when they probably didn't.
The first clue of which is that she is watching a movie of the character in her dreams and not seeing out of her eyes.
But who is the jew? A sleeper agent that has not woken up at all yet?
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