Agreed about Picard needing to be there due to what we saw, but I would argue that it is a different matter having command officers fighting in that battle than those who are below Captain or XO position. Command is a whole different ballgame than, say, Chief of Security.
Deep Space Nine Rewatch
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I'm 2-discs into Season 4.
Found Season 3 to be really good with more consistently interesting and capturing episodes and less fluff.
Season 4, of course, brings us Worf who was used very well in DS9 and starts with what I'd probably say is my second-favorite Star Trek episode of the entire franchise.
"The Visitor."
(First would be City on the Edge of Forever.")
Seriously, it's a damn-perfect episode. Great performances by Tony Todd, Avery Brooks, Cirroc Lofton it's truly a great, great, episode and any problems I could point out to it is getting damn nitpicky. (Starfleet in the episode's timeline didn't change their uniforms from the TNG style until sometime well after Jake was in adulthood? But do it in the regular timeline within the next year? Did Sisko have something to do with the uniform change? Well, apparently he's also the sole reason the war with the Dominion happens...)
Finished "Little Green Men" last night, a good fun episode. One of the few "Ferengi Episodes" I can stand.
Secondary characters still tend to be more interesting to me than the primary ones. But really when thinking about it the only main character I just don't get the feels for is Sisko. Everyone else of the main cast I really like for various reasons. But Rom, Nog, Garak, Dukat, and now we have Leeta! All fun and interesting characters.
Rewatch continues.
Found Season 3 to be really good with more consistently interesting and capturing episodes and less fluff.
Season 4, of course, brings us Worf who was used very well in DS9 and starts with what I'd probably say is my second-favorite Star Trek episode of the entire franchise.
"The Visitor."
(First would be City on the Edge of Forever.")
Seriously, it's a damn-perfect episode. Great performances by Tony Todd, Avery Brooks, Cirroc Lofton it's truly a great, great, episode and any problems I could point out to it is getting damn nitpicky. (Starfleet in the episode's timeline didn't change their uniforms from the TNG style until sometime well after Jake was in adulthood? But do it in the regular timeline within the next year? Did Sisko have something to do with the uniform change? Well, apparently he's also the sole reason the war with the Dominion happens...)
Finished "Little Green Men" last night, a good fun episode. One of the few "Ferengi Episodes" I can stand.
Secondary characters still tend to be more interesting to me than the primary ones. But really when thinking about it the only main character I just don't get the feels for is Sisko. Everyone else of the main cast I really like for various reasons. But Rom, Nog, Garak, Dukat, and now we have Leeta! All fun and interesting characters.
Rewatch continues.
Interesting thread. It highlights for me the differences of opinions fans can have over the same property.
Examples:
- I love all things Kira-related (except that she can't throw a baseball? did she never toss a grenade or throw a phaser to someone during the occupation?)
- I don't mind the Bajoran squabbling of the first couple of seasons - it is good backdrop to later developments and brings in the amazing, and loathsome, Kai Winn/Fletcher
- I love most of the Ferengi episodes (not "Profit and Lace" and the early one where Zek pretends to die}
- That some love and others dislike the addition of the Defiant; ditto Worf
- Highlighting "Let he who is without sin" as a Worf-highlight is a new one (though I totally agree that Worf does play excellently as the contrarian to the Risian culture)
- Many love the war storyline and the serialization, some dislike it
- That someone likes the episode "Paradise" (sorry Armus,
)
Examples:
- I love all things Kira-related (except that she can't throw a baseball? did she never toss a grenade or throw a phaser to someone during the occupation?)
- I don't mind the Bajoran squabbling of the first couple of seasons - it is good backdrop to later developments and brings in the amazing, and loathsome, Kai Winn/Fletcher
- I love most of the Ferengi episodes (not "Profit and Lace" and the early one where Zek pretends to die}
- That some love and others dislike the addition of the Defiant; ditto Worf
- Highlighting "Let he who is without sin" as a Worf-highlight is a new one (though I totally agree that Worf does play excellently as the contrarian to the Risian culture)
- Many love the war storyline and the serialization, some dislike it
- That someone likes the episode "Paradise" (sorry Armus,
)
I finished a DS9 re-watch not that long ago.
It's interesting how it actually took me quite a while before I even gave DS9 a proper chance. I originally hated the idea of it being set on a space station but I love the show now. When I finished this latest re-watch I was almost tempted to just restart from season one all over again. If I hadn't been planning on moving onto Voyager next I might have!
It's interesting how it actually took me quite a while before I even gave DS9 a proper chance. I originally hated the idea of it being set on a space station but I love the show now. When I finished this latest re-watch I was almost tempted to just restart from season one all over again. If I hadn't been planning on moving onto Voyager next I might have!
I'm debating doing a Voyager watch-through next. But theres a lot more pain in doing that..
Lots of interesting responses and opinions here imo.
I tend to think that secondary or tertiary characters often served to push a plot along or get it back in place.
imho, Garak was like a fulcrum who could move an entire plot direction and make it look so easy. Had he not been there for his thirty-something appearances out of 170 or so, things may have turned out with a less than desired outcome.
Like Fullmetal Alchemist, the anime, he understood a bit of equivalent exchange:
I tend to think that secondary or tertiary characters often served to push a plot along or get it back in place.
imho, Garak was like a fulcrum who could move an entire plot direction and make it look so easy. Had he not been there for his thirty-something appearances out of 170 or so, things may have turned out with a less than desired outcome.
Like Fullmetal Alchemist, the anime, he understood a bit of equivalent exchange:
Lol. I'm sure that's been applied to him many times. But it's often not his bald faced lies that were most effective, but rather his ability to redirect a conversation and allow the other person to draw their own conclusion.
I always enjoyed how he could "speak little, listen much."
Weave a spell of comfort. Like adorable, dear, Dr. Bashir before he had more hands on, away team and war experience.
I see both TNG and DS9 as 'dystopic utopias.' On the one hand, look at technology! But look at the less prevalent things, like overriding someone's quarters using your rank code. Sort of Big Brotherish. Sure, the episodes made it all look justified and with Noble intent but as the old saying goes: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
(But kudos to anyone who can endure the trying first season, lol )
I always enjoyed how he could "speak little, listen much."
Weave a spell of comfort. Like adorable, dear, Dr. Bashir before he had more hands on, away team and war experience.
I see both TNG and DS9 as 'dystopic utopias.' On the one hand, look at technology! But look at the less prevalent things, like overriding someone's quarters using your rank code. Sort of Big Brotherish. Sure, the episodes made it all look justified and with Noble intent but as the old saying goes: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
(But kudos to anyone who can endure the trying first season, lol )
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I always got a kick out of how Brunt and Zek always materialized in Quarks closet.
Some of the Bajoran stuff irritated me, but Gul Dukat couldn't have attempted his 'Jim Jones' tragedy without it.
One of my personal pet peeves was how easy they made it look for Sisko to return to 'linear space' (yes, there was no more grief. It was all gravy.)
Same with Garaks, "The Wire". What? You spend years daily using the basic equivalent of opiates, you kick for a bit and it's all hunky dory?
No.
That's not how it works, unless they posted a technology to bypass the emotional and mental dependency.
I actually wrote a fic about that called Talk | Smack but never published it. It was all gravy afterward. (tongue in cheek.)
I wasn't terribly fond when they got too spiritual, yet it does figure laregly in the series and our lives today. I have no comment regarding my own thoughts in this topic. Kira just irritated me sometimes period. (Just have hate s*x with Dukat and get it out of your blood!). It took awhile, buy I came to really appreciate Jadzia, mostly on account of the apparent masculine tendencies she displayed, like Sigourney Weaver in Alien.
I'm sorry they shoved Dukat back into his Hitler mode rather than complicate him more.
R.I.P. Dukat
R.I.P. Eddington
Some of the Bajoran stuff irritated me, but Gul Dukat couldn't have attempted his 'Jim Jones' tragedy without it.
One of my personal pet peeves was how easy they made it look for Sisko to return to 'linear space' (yes, there was no more grief. It was all gravy.)
Same with Garaks, "The Wire". What? You spend years daily using the basic equivalent of opiates, you kick for a bit and it's all hunky dory?
No.
That's not how it works, unless they posted a technology to bypass the emotional and mental dependency.
I actually wrote a fic about that called Talk | Smack but never published it. It was all gravy afterward. (tongue in cheek.)
I wasn't terribly fond when they got too spiritual, yet it does figure laregly in the series and our lives today. I have no comment regarding my own thoughts in this topic. Kira just irritated me sometimes period. (Just have hate s*x with Dukat and get it out of your blood!). It took awhile, buy I came to really appreciate Jadzia, mostly on account of the apparent masculine tendencies she displayed, like Sigourney Weaver in Alien.
I'm sorry they shoved Dukat back into his Hitler mode rather than complicate him more.
R.I.P. Dukat
R.I.P. Eddington
I did, and they were asses toward her simply because they could not deal with the loss of Dax as Jadzia. But they were so human! That one episode was upsetting.Just watch Way of the Warror and all the Ezri episodes.
An old Jewish saying: "Don't ever treat people the way you want to be treated; they may have different tastes."
"Change your opinion...often."
Were they? I remember them all accepting Ezri well, except for Worf.
I don't know. My opinion may change tomorrow. As for the rest of my opinion?
As Spock would say: The question is irrelevant.
It really was sort of subjective-how each person treated her. But they had their words which surely carry more weight than my own.
I'm just a stranger in a strange land.
I don't know, but I have my ideas.
An episode with Kira and Dukat having hate sex would've been.... Interesting. Bordering on funny.
*Shudders*
But what if you added the 70s porn music? Would that have made it tolerable? XD.
Dunno, guess I just like my reptiles.
There is someone else who likes "Paradise"? I'm in good company then. I enjoyed that episode.- That someone likes the episode "Paradise" (sorry Armus,
The episodes where DS9 meets wacky colonists were generally good episodes. When the DS9 crew actually got out of DS9 to explore strange new worlds, those stories usually turned out to be very interesting. Starting with "Battle Lines", "The Storyteller" and "Progress" in season 1; "Shadowplay" and "Children of Time", eps of later seasons, also come to mind.
Those episodes had a moral to the story. The stories in those eps presented ideas to think about beyond just the plot.
My re-watch has reached a pause at "Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night," given I'm currently need to move and have been sort of an emotional roller coaster lately due to this move. (New job, moving 150 miles away or so, dealing with finding a place, etc.)
Still enjoying rewatch but now with the "war" being more a presence episodes for me have being feeling a bit "heavier" and just really not in the "vibe" I need right now.
Still enjoying rewatch but now with the "war" being more a presence episodes for me have being feeling a bit "heavier" and just really not in the "vibe" I need right now.
Since you are well into season 6, did you enjoy the opening 6 episodes where Dukat and Weyoun reign over DS9? I was disappointed with much of season 6; I felt the writing wasn't up to DS9's usual standards. I remember thinking that much of the stuff between Dukat, Demar, Kira, Odo, and Dukat's daughter was melodramatic, yet, the season felt anticlimactic after Sisko and the Federation retook the station. One episode, the Red Squad episode, "Valiant", just makes me cringe the acting is so bad. "Profit and Lace" was also bad but its worth watching to see Quark in a dress. My favorite episodes from season 6 were "Rocks and Shoals", "Statistical Probabilities", "The Magnificent Ferengi", "Waltz", "His Way", "Far Beyond The Stars", "Change of Heart", "In The Pale Moonlight", "The Sound of Her Voice", and the finale, "Tears of The Prophets", which set up season 7 with a bang.
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Robert Hewitt Wolfe was sorely missed, not so much for his writing, but because he was probably the one keeping the overall narrative development of the series on track. He was the one who wrote their guiding document on how the Dominion worked, and he was responsible largely for Call to Arms, which set up a lot of stories.
Wolfe was REALLY sorely missed on ANDROMEDA. It became a much... messier series after he was gone.
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