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Deep space: Are we smart enough to beat the physics?

Our ambitions are a mere fraction of what they were 50 years ago. Perhaps it's best that we stick with a few space probes and give up the manned stuff. The public appetite for funding such things is far less than one might hope.

I sure am glad that Christopher Columbus didn't give up looking for a faster route to India.

Manned stuff is what separates humans from the mop bucket ringer.
 
Native Americans probably thought otherwise, and by the way Columbus never did find that route, did he?

No, but he did get to mismanage his affairs badly enough to be relieved of his post as Viceroy and Governor and get thrown in prison, to be released long enough for one last voyage, during which he was stranded for a year on Jamaica. Good times.
 
History is rife with brutality. The key is to learn from it without becoming too timid to move forward.
Learn what from it exactly? How to become more brutal? Good job there don't seem to be any aliens nearby.

I sure am glad that Christopher Columbus didn't give up looking for a faster route to India.
Lol. History fail as @Nebusj pointed out.

Manned stuff is what separates humans from the mop bucket ringer.
I assume you mean wringers rather than campanologists whose instruments happen to be metal pails. My suspicion is that SLS will be cancelled but I hope to be proved wrong. The Russians, Chinese, and people such as Elon Musk will likely carry on as they appear to have the right stuff.
 
Its permanent now.

Christopher Columbus is credited along with many other explorers as being the reason why humanity progressed or advanced and exponentially after their discoveries..
 
Learn what from it exactly? How to become more brutal? Good job there don't seem to be any aliens nearby.
Well, optimistically, how to be less brutal. But that pretty much goes without saying. Not sure what kind of person would see becoming more brutal as the preferred way to take that quote.
 
Well, optimistically, how to be less brutal. But that pretty much goes without saying. Not sure what kind of person would see becoming more brutal as the preferred way to take that quote.
Regression to aggressive behaviour appears to be the way of the world at the moment, unfortunately, so I think it's important to be clear.
 
Given that space travel is harmful to biology, the most efficient course is to not use biological systems with needs of massive air, water, and food. Tiny, intelligent probes—that perhaps carry the identity and memory of a person—or more economical.

And if and when we evolve to super-intelligent machines, we may very well be able to construct biological bodies on a whim and wear them as we wear clothes.

That's the 22nd century I foresee.

Oh, I hope not. I'm still not giving up hope that I'll stand on the bridge of a starship.

I don't like transhumanism. I think that the better way is to merge our technology with our "primitive" past. We should bring the natural and technological worlds together harmoniously rather than throwing away that natural world to make things how we want it. That's also why I disagree with the notion that we need technology to make life "easier." More efficient perhaps, but with too much ease comes stagnation.
 
"All generalisations are dangerous, even this one." -- A Dumas

My glass half-empty statement was purely subjective so I won't defend it.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

Given that space travel is harmful to biology, the most efficient course is to not use biological systems with needs of massive air, water, and food. Tiny, intelligent probes—that perhaps carry the identity and memory of a person—or more economical.

`The process above is not possible because the Tiny Probes would only carry `recordings of the person. Each person experiences life every second of the day completely different than someone sitting right beside the person.

Regardless of how dangerous space travel is to human and biological systems in general the need for humanity to develop the mechanisms to defeat such dangers is a necessity. Humans have thrived and survived for millions years because we did not turn our backs on the light outside of the cave but instead ventured out into the daylight.

Venturing into space and defeating the hazards that lay before humanity is the base of humanities existence. It's built into our DNA and cannot be removed.
 
Venturing into space and defeating the hazards that lay before humanity is the base of humanities existence. It's built into our DNA and cannot be removed.

I disagree. It's obviously not built into the DNA of Joe Public or the typical member of the US Congress.
 
Uh, that is transhumanism. Like, spot on.

My understanding is that transhumanism is about moving beyond human. Like cyborgs and nanobots to change our forms. Like what was described in the post, uploading our minds into a computer and being able to create new body's at will. My understanding of transhumanism is that the goal is ultimately to become more than human.
 
My understanding is that transhumanism is about moving beyond human. Like cyborgs and nanobots to change our forms. Like what was described in the post, uploading our minds into a computer and being able to create new body's at will. My understanding of transhumanism is that the goal is ultimately to become more than human.
Right, by literally merging technology (be it in cybernetics, computer engineering, genetic engineering, etc.) with our "primitive" past/current form.
 
What in the world does this mean?

If I understand, it is that to explore and expand and colonize space is inevitable and unavoidable. This may be so, but it does raise the question: if this is inevitable and unavoidable, then why does anyone need to take any steps to make it happen?
 
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