Deanna's Range.

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Thanos007, Jan 14, 2019.

  1. Thanos007

    Thanos007 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2019
    Location:
    New York State
    Do they ever establish what the range for Troi's Empathic powers are? Currently rewatching TNG and she seems to pick up stuff from hundreds if not thousands of miles away?
     
  2. STEPhon IT

    STEPhon IT Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2010
    Location:
    Sunny California
    I don't think so but the episodes Troi's powers were used can give you a rough estimate.
     
  3. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    Location:
    The glorious Shetland Isles!
    Plot range.
     
    Schimpfy, Herbert, Kor and 6 others like this.
  4. Jayson1

    Jayson1 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2017
    I was not expecting this. I thought this was going to be about the actors range as a actor. Me I think her range is basically whatever the plot wants it to be but it seems she does need to at least be somewhat close to a nearby ship. I don't think she can sense things on a planet unless being manipulated like The Dowd guy from "The Survivors" or the mental rape from Shinzon.


    Jason
     
    Roundabout and Cutie McWhiskers like this.
  5. Spot261

    Spot261 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2013
    Location:
    spot261
    Sometimes it's a matter of a few feet, other times it's thousands of miles.

    What ever is needed for the plot to work.
     
    Herbert and Cutie McWhiskers like this.
  6. Takeru

    Takeru Space Police Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2007
    Location:
    Germany, EU, Earth
    Being able to sense people on ships thousands of miles away might be similar to being able to see a light in a dark void, it's easy because there's nothing, put the light on a planet's surface a d try to see it from orbit ... good luck.

    Seeing a person even if only on a viewscreen also seemed to help, it shouldn't be able to boost telepathic signals but empathy also includes reading body language and facial expressions, that combined with getting a general sense of hostility, fear, kindness or curiosity from another ship could give her a pretty good idea.
     
    Thanos007 and Cutie McWhiskers like this.
  7. Cutie McWhiskers

    Cutie McWhiskers Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    May 18, 2017
    Location:
    The clinic located by the Q Continuum
    If there were a Writer's Bible given so much detail on character intricacies, either nobody wrote it, nobody read it, some writers actually came from another planet and had difficulty converting unit distances to ensure a unified consistency within character traits for the sake of suspension of disbelief or credibility, or a generalized mindset of "The audience won't notice, it's a small plot bypass detail, who cares, just as long as Jellico doesn't tell her to put proper clothes on" even though she did wear a proper Medical Blue uniform early on.

    As Takeru also indicated, empathy also involves recognizing facial expressions. By innate intellect or even by rote (which is something many with Asperger's Syndrome can accomplish), or both, the problem with that is that Picard and the rest of the bridge crew will see the same facial expressions, hence the usual audience retort of "She's saying the obvious, Captain."

    Granted, ignoring the details - if the story is otherwise good enough - has some terrific payoff as, for example, "Encounter at Farpoint" shows a few great Troi moments as she is the only one who's able to to figure things out because of her ability. The big downer is, not all episodes can be the same way with nonhumanoid or incorporeal life forms, though more of those wouldn't have hurt - at least until the audience recognizes the template and ends up saying "When's Troi going to say the obvious." There's no way to win. She's a great Q-detector, though. She always gives out good Q-tips just before he pops in.

    Only in "Nemesis", after how many years or decades, she's finally given a new ability - despite her stating early on she can only read minds, not send thoughts. In that movie, she's sending them the same way burger flippers push out 3-for-a-buck specials. "Buck" as in dollar, raise your hand if you'd eaten venison, in which case "3-for-a-buck" makes even less sense unless you change the context of what "3" represents as it can't reflect burgers, unless the buck's size is so inadequate that only 3 can be made from it and why the heck am I talking about that... oh yeah, it's nigh on lunch time... Morningstar Farms has these fantastic meat-free burger patties made with processed soy and mushroom and beans and other pulverized vegetable bits, which are actually quite tasty, though science now claims soy might be harmful... what a bunch of partypoopers... and what's a hamburger without buns, preferably whole grain and high in fiber...

    So anyway, I'd say her range is a couple thousand miles or so, not including other factors like the species she's trying to make a diary out of and how far their abilities to project extend, which - like walkie talkies - makes reception a lot easier and more fun. As she in an episode discussed how she can tune out others' thoughts, in a way Tam Elbron couldn't. Good episode, "Tin Man", odd title though... I think there was another one as well where she mentions tuning out others' thoughts... such a range is impressive for any species with such abilities, for which in real life the number of capable species is "zero", which might be for the best. Lion A thinking "That tasty succulent dinner is over there by the tree and rock and lake, braying ever so loudly" (or however the lion perceives these things to be, I doubt they use English or anything approaching written or verbal linguistics to that distinctive extent) and Lion B is just sitting a hundred yards away writing down notes. The pedantry does lead to some amusement, but where in the biological development does a species - without technological assistance - develop supernatural or esper-like capability to a quantifiable extent that can no longer be written off by the locals as "folklore", "superstition", "what's found in a bag of fertilizer to grow crops big and strong with", et cetera. Much less what other beings might postulate about without knowing both the capable species and its norms.
     
    Ricky likes this.
  8. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2005
    Low soprano to contralto.
     
    Forbin likes this.
  9. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2008
    Location:
    A type 13 planet in its final stage
    She knows if you're touching yourself on deck 39.
     
    Ar-Pharazon likes this.
  10. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2014
    Location:
    Suomi Finland
    In 'The Enemy' Tomalak's ship is far, far away and Troi is able to tell Picard that Tomalak is not completely honest.

    Who knows how telepathy or sensing emotions work but I assumed she reads Tomalak's facial expressions and made her assumptions. And who knows, maybe those empathy thingys can travel through communication channels? Maybe not, but.. I don't know. Sensing other beings emotions lightyears away feels kind of impossible? Does distance of the person that is being "read" make difference?
     
  11. Mojochi

    Mojochi Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2007
    This is what she said about Tomalak , while he was still light years away, on the other side of the bloody neutral zone. So either she's just postulating based on his body language/social cues, or she has some sense of people just from a voice or transmission. There's no knowing. She's had people 5 feet away she couldn't completely read, ships that surprise attacked that she was unaware of. She's gotta be the flakiest telepath in the history of fiction
     
  12. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2003
    The thing is, she's not a telepath. She's merely the daughter of one. So all bets really are off, save for "flaky"...

    Spock wasn't completely certain whether he'd ever hit puberty, until "Amok Time". And we still have to wonder whether Spock did, or whether his surviving the "take a mate or die" business without doing either is exactly because he's a failure as Vulcans go.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  13. Nakita Akita

    Nakita Akita Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2017
    But, he is half human.
    So cut him some slack
     
  14. Kor

    Kor Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Location:
    Dahar Master final exams
    She seems to be able to pick up on emotional cues from the other party in visual ship-to-ship communications.

    Kor
     
    JesterFace likes this.
  15. gakelly

    gakelly Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2019
    She could sense hostility from the aliens after they threatened to open fire on the Enterprise.
     
  16. Ricky

    Ricky Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2019
    Location:
    Ho Chi Minh (Saigon), Vietnam
    She could tell the aliens were angry after they'd been shouting.

    She could tell the aliens were hostile after they'd threatened the Enterprise.

    She could tell the aliens were friendly after they'd sent warm greetings.
     
  17. Mojochi

    Mojochi Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2007
    She could tell when a shady Romulan defector was hiding something. Oh, man... Hold on while I note that in my log, & recommend you for a promotion to captain....... Captain obvious
     
  18. UnknownSample

    UnknownSample Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2004
    Location:
    Earth's surface
    It was obvious from my first watching of Farpoint that this was an ability that was not vetted in terms of valid, plausible science fiction. You can't rationalize it. Deanna can empathically read people because they're onscreen. She connects with the minds of pictures. She'd generally have more chance of reading the emotions of a picture somehow transmitted across the galaxy, than a ship hovering right next to them with its communications disabled...
    ----------------------
    Yes, they make small attempts to have her sensing things without a picture, but that's basically it.
     
  19. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2008
    Location:
    A type 13 planet in its final stage
    Imagine if they kept her "Farpoint" thing where we experienced all the emotions she was sensing.

    She'd have been in a state of agony or orgasmic bliss for 7 years.
     
  20. gakelly

    gakelly Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2019
    Captain...I'm sensing you are getting aroused.
    Imagine walking through a town and sensing all the stuff people were feeling?