Actually read that the episode Haven, in which Troi almost married and left the show was pushed back as they decided whether or not to keep Troi, as it would be an adequate exit for the character.
So Crosby!Troi would have likely married Wyatt.
Deanna Troi's costuming
- Thread starter JHoffman555
- Start date
- Status
Actually read that the episode Haven, in which Troi almost married and left the show was pushed back as they decided whether or not to keep Troi, as it would be an adequate exit for the character.
So Crosby!Troi would have likely married Wyatt.
Denise Crosby has stated many times that if she'd gotten these little character bits more often she would have stayed with the show.
Heard that in an interview as well. Makes me think that she is really rather naïve. Yes, TNG was nearing the end of its first season, and yes, she hadn't had much development, but then again neither had the likes of Troi or Crusher, and what TV series gets everything right and hits all its marks in the first year? TNG really only found itself by Season 3, she should've stuck it out for another year at least and then asked to leave (if she was still that unhappy). It's not like she was snapped up for other big shows or features after she left Trek.
Well, hindsight is 20/20. She didn't leave to grab a brass ring from some other production. She felt she had been promised a certain level of development for her character, and hadn't received it. So she asked out of her contract. When typecasting bit her on her shapely buttocks, she went back to TNG to see if something could be salvaged there. Berman and Braga weren't as forthcoming as she had hoped, to say the least.
She's admitted she regrets leaving. But we'll really never know, will we?
She's admitted she regrets leaving. But we'll really never know, will we?
Yeah, ultimately (it's uncharitable but true), Crosby jumped too soon, and then lived to regret her decision as she sat and watched the show she'd left behind get better and better after she left.
It's indisputable that Tasha would've gotten better as the seasons progressed, just as every character got better. But on the other hand, in some ways we could look at her as being a fifth wheel, a character whose removal from the ensemble arguably allowed other characters to rise to greater prominance. For that, her decision to leave ultimately may have helped to make the show stronger, and her staying could have weakened it.
It's hard to say, really. Hypotheticals.
But I do appreciate the impact of her original death. 
It's indisputable that Tasha would've gotten better as the seasons progressed, just as every character got better. But on the other hand, in some ways we could look at her as being a fifth wheel, a character whose removal from the ensemble arguably allowed other characters to rise to greater prominance. For that, her decision to leave ultimately may have helped to make the show stronger, and her staying could have weakened it.
It's hard to say, really. Hypotheticals.
But I do appreciate the impact of her original death. 
Original Trek. M*A*S*H. The Mary Tyler Moore Show. Hill Street Blues. Moonlighting. Cheers. The Bob Newhart Show. Barney Miller. Max Headroom. The Six Million Dollar Man. Taxi.
Granted, many of those shows got even better their second or third seasons (or even later, for shows which lasted long enough), and grew in new ways; but they also had first seasons that got it right. Watch a typical first-season episode and you don't have to squint to see the great shows they'd become.
^ TNG had the problem of living up to TOS though, being the first Trek of TV in twenty years, with many cooks wanting to have at the broth--resulting in a few clunkers of episodes early on with a hint creeping through about what the show would become.
Despite her "drugs are bad" speech, I always saw a lot of promise in Yar. It's a shame we never got to see what she would've become, and just how her remaining on would've affected the rest of the cast: Worf's drinking buddy, Wesley's big sister, Troi's bestie, Picard's surrogate daughter, Data's jealous ex (I imagine she and Jenna D'Sora having a smackdown). It'd also mean we'd get to see how a Klingon developed without being the stereotypical 'warrior'.
Despite her "drugs are bad" speech, I always saw a lot of promise in Yar. It's a shame we never got to see what she would've become, and just how her remaining on would've affected the rest of the cast: Worf's drinking buddy, Wesley's big sister, Troi's bestie, Picard's surrogate daughter, Data's jealous ex (I imagine she and Jenna D'Sora having a smackdown). It'd also mean we'd get to see how a Klingon developed without being the stereotypical 'warrior'.
I agree with that. Also, imo Troi became a fifth wheel when Guinan came on board.
idk about that. I definitely agree when it comes to season 2, they were horrible about using Guinan instead of Troi in season 2, but as the series progressed that became less and less again (probably also had to do with Whoopi Goldberg not being available all the time).
For an example compare Data's scenes in the Outrageous Okona and the Offspring. In The Outrageous Okona it was Guinan who assisted Data's quest to understand humor, in the Offspring Troi assisted Data with Lal.
I never was a friend of the idea that people rather talk to their barkeeper than a counselor. If given the choice I'd talk to a counselor. But then again I don't like bars, so the point is moot in my case.
Not that Guinan wasn't an interesting character, I just don't agree with that sentiment.
I see it as the difference between a good listener and a trained professional.
Guinan is a very very good listener, and sometimes that's what a person needs, but sometimes they would need a professional.
Admitedly, there's a lot of overlap between the two characters. Troi's mental powers did give her something different to do at least.
Guinan is a very very good listener, and sometimes that's what a person needs, but sometimes they would need a professional.
Admitedly, there's a lot of overlap between the two characters. Troi's mental powers did give her something different to do at least.
Not at all. The first two seasons of MASH had mediocre ratings and only a few episodes rose above the level of practical jokes and womanizing at the front. They didn't really hit their stride until season 3. Story is that one of the network executive's wife asked him to keep the show.
And it's kind of sad, most TV shows now don't get three seasons to get it right before they get canceled. There's probably many potentially great shows that don't get a long enough chance.
Ratings weren't the question; the question was, having the show creatively successful from the start. And the first season of M*A*S*H produced 'To Market, To Market', 'Chief Surgeon Who', 'The Moose', 'Yankee Doodle Doctor', 'Cowboy', 'Germ Warfare', 'Dear Dad', 'Tuttle', 'The Ringbanger', 'The Army-Navy Game', 'Sticky Wicket', 'Sometimes You Hear the Bullet' and 'Cease Fire', all of which are great blends of humor, satire, and drama and would be best-of-season episodes in any season of the show.
And that's not listing episodes like 'Love Story' which don't make strong use of the setting but are still solidly funny and show the characters fully-formed, with relationships solid and understandable. The show needed time for the audience to find it, but it knew what it was doing in the first season.
I agree. We might have missed the development of Worf and the wonderful Klingon cultural angles if Yar remained.
On the other hand, we lost a strong woman character. It's been noted that we were left with "traditional" healer characters in Crusher and Troi.
Personally, I really don't think we would've. Yes, they would have to give Yar a couple of focus episodes each year, but that would just mean trimming the fat from TNG and dropping some of the weaker scripts.
All of Worf's development were based on him being a Klingon, who was raised by human parents and now serving in Starfleet, and the conflict that put him at with his true heritage. I can't think of any episode where him being Security Chief was what was focused on or developed--so he could've gotten almost as much screen time and exploration had he taken over at the conn (once Geordi took up residence in engineering). He would also be available if any away team needed a little extra muscles, or to take over ops or tactical whenever Data or Yar were off the ship. Wesley would then be relegated to the aft stations, but he's supposed to be a scientific genius, so makes sense to have him at the science console.
There is also the dynamic that could've grown between Yar and Worf, given that they have similar backstories and both saw themselves as warriors first, which would've needed time to explore and see where that went (possible series romance?).
So not only would we have still gotten a well developed character in Worf, the insight into Klingon culture (neither of which I've overly fond of, but liked to see progress forward and be more fully realised), but we would've still had a strong female character who was always on the bridge or away teams.
Yeah, ultimately (it's uncharitable but true), Crosby jumped too soon, and then lived to regret her decision as she sat and watched the show she'd left behind get better and better after she left.
It's indisputable that Tasha would've gotten better as the seasons progressed, just as every character got better. But on the other hand, in some ways we could look at her as being a fifth wheel, a character whose removal from the ensemble arguably allowed other characters to rise to greater prominance. For that, her decision to leave ultimately may have helped to make the show stronger, and her staying could have weakened it.
It's hard to say, really. Hypotheticals.
We'll never know if her staying on the show would have improved the show or made it weaker. I suspect that some parts would have been better and others worse.
What was the position of Worf before the death of Tasha..?
^ He seems to be a floater. Throughout S1 we saw him at conn, ops and tactical--whenever he wasn't just lurking at the aft consoles. I don't think he had an official job title, though something like 'deck officer' would seem to be best for him.
I always thought her bridge officers test, standard issue uniform looked the sexiest. Yeah, I loved the low cut tops, since Marina is smokin. But still. 
I had always wondered why she left. I didn't know if she was let go or what. So she quit? I just watched Yesterday's Enterprise recently- she was a great character and would have went far. Seeing her as a Romulan was a waste I thought.
Yeah, ultimately (it's uncharitable but true), Crosby jumped too soon, and then lived to regret her decision as she sat and watched the show she'd left behind get better and better after she left.
It's indisputable that Tasha would've gotten better as the seasons progressed, just as every character got better. But on the other hand, in some ways we could look at her as being a fifth wheel, a character whose removal from the ensemble arguably allowed other characters to rise to greater prominance. For that, her decision to leave ultimately may have helped to make the show stronger, and her staying could have weakened it.
It's hard to say, really. Hypotheticals.
We'll never know if her staying on the show would have improved the show or made it weaker. I suspect that some parts would have been better and others worse.
- Status
Similar threads
