Deanna driving the ship...

[T'Girl]

Well, as already mentioned, Troi did pass the bridge officer exam. Helm control may have been (if not probably was) part of the exam.

One doesn't follow the other. Studying for and becoming a qualified bridge officer doesn't mean that Deanna is competent to operation all the consoles, at all the bridge stations.

She tested to be a commander not a systems operator. She like didn't know how to handle ops either.

It was more a case of she was the only person on the bridge who wasn't criticalhttps://www.google.com/search?hl=en...nCigLCkYC4DA&ved=0CC4QvwUoAA&biw=1760&bih=776 where they already were. Riker was hoping that Deanna was intelligent enough to rapidly figure out the basic helm controls.

This is similar to the time Captain Kirk ordered Yeoman Rand to take the helm, she was simply standing there.

Riker ordered Deanna to get the ship out of orbit, but when we see the ship's exterior again, it is still executing the turn the previous helmsman initiated. Deanna wasn't yet in control, because the ship was still turning and hadn't begun to leave orbit.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Well, as already mentioned, Troi did pass the bridge officer exam. Helm control may have been (if not probably was) part of the exam.

One doesn't follow the other. Studying for and becoming a qualified bridge officer doesn't mean that Deanna is competent to operation all the consoles, at all the bridge stations.

I disagree with that. I think one does indeed follow the other. As a bridge officer, one should be required to know how to operate every console on the bridge in an emergency, including helm, ops, & tactical. Now, you can still have dedicated specialists for those stations, but cross-training of bridge personnel does make perfect sense for emergency situations when one can't wait for someone from below decks to arrive.

It was more a case of she was the only person on the bridge who wasn't critical where they already were.

That's actually what I said earlier.

Riker was hoping that Deanna was intelligent enough to rapidly figure out the basic helm controls.

I don't think it was a case of Riker hoping, but that he knew she was. He was there when she took and passed the bridge officer's exam.

Riker ordered Deanna to get the ship out of orbit, but when we see the ship's exterior again, it is still executing the turn the previous helmsman initiated. Deanna wasn't yet in control, because the ship was still turning and hadn't begun to leave orbit.

It just means that the ship didn't start to leave orbit until after Troi took over the helm. Earlier, the ship was still in orbit of Veridian III trying to find a way to beam Picard back.

 

[wingsabre]

We've only seen Troi fly two times, once flying the saucer section towards a crash landing, and another time when she flew a collision course to the Reman Scimitar. I understand the irony of both flights, but overall the second time was harder because the target was smaller. As others have said, she likely knew how to fly based on her commander's exam. Case in point, Bevery was a bridge officer and we've seen her navigate a shuttle into the corona of a star.

 

[CaptainStoner]

I agree that it seems an onscreen precedent as well - Deanna was already a bridge officer, she was training to take a shift in the big chair - and for that, competence in all bridge functions is needed. Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi, Worf, Sisko, Kirk, Spock, Scotty, name one officer who sat in the big chair and wasn't able to operate a starship practically solo...

 

[MacLeod]

Well you had a few seconds before the core breached, you could have remote piloted the star drive section into warp even a second or two at warp 1 would have got the stardrive section clear. Or you could have engageed full reverse impulse on the stardrive to get greater seperation.

But it should have been a curb stomb battle in favour of the Ent-D, a few full volleys of Photon torpedeos and firing all it's phasers should have easily beaten a BoP.

 

[T'Girl]

... a few full volleys of Photon torpedeos and firing all it's phasers should have easily beaten a BoP.

Assuming that after the initial damage the ship was capable of dishing that up.

Riker ordered Worf to fire a "spread" of torpedoes when the BOP's shields dropped, only one was fired, possibly because that was all the Enterprise could fire by that point in the battle.

 

[Dantrek]

As much as I love Marina Sirtis, I thought Deanna Troi was about the most useless character on the show. I don't know why Picard had a counselor on the bridge. Other than her ability to sense thoughts, she was useless.

Deanna: "Captain I'm sensing a deception from them."

Any experienced commander could have read someone's intentions. Besides it was always too late when she told him that, they would fire on the Enterprise right after. Why would any Captain let the fucking psychologist command your ship? or Fly it for that matter.

 

[TheSubCommander]

Well you had a few seconds before the core breached, you could have remote piloted the star drive section into warp even a second or two at warp 1 would have got the stardrive section clear. Or you could have engageed full reverse impulse on the stardrive to get greater seperation.

But it should have been a curb stomb battle in favour of the Ent-D, a few full volleys of Photon torpedeos and firing all it's phasers should have easily beaten a BoP.

Actually, I seem to remember the Enterprise D blowing up the BOP, easily, once it could return fire.

It was Geordi who had been captured and telegraphed the shield modulation info through his VISOR. Why they let Geordi back into engineering without thoroughly checking his visor for being hacked, or even just destroying it in the first place and giving him either a new one, or artificial eyes is the real issue. Not Troi's piloting ability.

 

[Dream]

Why they let Geordi back into engineering without thoroughly checking his visor for being hacked, or even just destroying it in the first place and giving him either a new one, or artificial eyes is the real issue. Not Troi's piloting ability.

That's all on Beverly Crusher. Damn woman!

 

[Lance]

I don't know why Picard had a counselor on the bridge.

I'd have thought the answer to that one is obvious:

"Captain, focus on your computer screen. No captain, your computer screen. Not my boobies. Focus on the screen."

 

[RXTT]

Troi was so fine. she could do no wrong.

 

[Kevman7987]

I'd have thought the answer to that one is obvious:

"Captain, focus on your computer screen. No captain, your computer screen. Not my boobies. Focus on the screen."

I preferred when Troi got chewed out by Ronny Cox and started to wear her duty uniform permanently. You're the ship's counselor for God sakes, put your boobs away and do your job.

We've only seen Troi fly two times, once flying the saucer section towards a crash landing, and another time when she flew a collision course to the Reman Scimitar. I understand the irony of both flights, but overall the second time was harder because the target was smaller. As others have said, she likely knew how to fly based on her commander's exam. Case in point, Bevery was a bridge officer and we've seen her navigate a shuttle into the corona of a star.

I was listening to the commentary on one of the Blu-Rays for the Next Gen films and Marina Sirtis & Jonathan Frakes actually joke about "woman drivers" and Troi crashing the ship both times she pilots.

 

[Belz...]

I preferred when Troi got chewed out by Ronny Cox and started to wear her duty uniform permanently. You're the ship's counselor for God sakes, put your boobs away and do your job.

I know we weren't supposed to cheer for the temporary captain, but I found his stick-to-the-rules attitude refreshing.

 

[FreddyE]

But the saucer separation scene, you clearly see the the saucer turning when it's flying away from the drive section.

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Out of universe explanation: As far as I know this was one of the stock sequences...its the same seperation sequence from TV, just recut.

In universe: Your ship is under attack, you´re desperatly trying to get away. You decide to seperate the saucer..then you´ll probably just let the auto sequence run in default mode not caring if the sauces turns away to right or left.

 

[Lance]

In before the mods realize FreddyE has bumped a six year old thread and lock it.

But the saucer separation scene, you clearly see the the saucer turning when it's flying away from the drive section.

Boy, if she had gone left instead they'd have been just fine. The shockwave of the drive blowing up didn't do anything more than just push them. And they did put some distance between them... as so.

And as we don't see the planet anywhere in this shot. She had to have been pretty much flying right towards it. So had she turned left when the separated, it would've pushed them away.

Out of universe explanation: As far as I know this was one of the stock sequences...its the same seperation sequence from TV, just recut.

In universe: Your ship is under attack, you´re desperatly trying to get away. You decide to seperate the saucer..then you´ll probably just let the auto sequence run in default mode not caring if the sauces turns away to right or left.

The footage looks similar, as they used some familiar angles (I suspect it could only be filmed from those angles), but careful examination definitely shows the saucer sepper footage in GENS isn't that used for it's previous appearances, but newly shot. Its a matter of public record that they got the original Enterprise-D model out of storage for the first time in about five years specifically because they knew they needed to execute a number of shots of it seperating, and that model was the only one built to allow for it. GENS does use a couple of stock shots of the Enterprise blown up from small screen to big and they look awful (notable being the Enterprise at warp seen just before the stellar cartography scene which just looks bad), but the saucer sepper shots aren't among them.

 

[STEPhon IT]

As much as I love Marina Sirtis, I thought Deanna Troi was about the most useless character on the show. I don't know why Picard had a counselor on the bridge. Other than her ability to sense thoughts, she was useless.

Deanna: "Captain I'm sensing a deception from them."

Any experienced commander could have read someone's intentions. Besides it was always too late when she told him that, they would fire on the Enterprise right after. Why would any Captain let the fucking psychologist command your ship? or Fly it for that matter.

I thought it was a practical joke promoting her to Commander, it would've been interesting to see some growth of her character after the promotion but in the movies all she provided were some silly and quite awful skits like being drunk, and bragging about her body part with Dr. Crusher. As for Riker, he was established being the best pilot so he should've helm what's left of the Enterprise. I have to say, this was not the Riker I remember in the TV series--he seemed so out of character. As a matter of fact, everyone, besides Troi , was out of character in that terrible movie; Worf, Data and Riker should've figured out a way overcome the shield issue, but with the crappy writing done the scenario could only go one way. The battle sequence didn't put our heroes in a good light. Sucks to have a battle sequence and Captain Picard was not there to put his strategic "know how" to some use. As stupid as Worf was in the TV series, I would've thought he would have some reaction towards the Duras Sisters and at least try to out wit them in the battle sequence, but I guess this was Worf true to form.

I thought Troi taking a helm was just an avenue to give Marina face time in the movie.

 

[Atet]

Maybe an act of desperation?

 

[Prax]

Not to encourage this thread, but it doesn't matter which direction she flew. The saucer would still be hit by the explosion, lose control, and fall down to the planet.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Not to encourage this thread, but it doesn't matter which direction she flew. The saucer would still be hit by the explosion, lose control, and fall down to the planet.

Yup. And on that note, folks, thread closed.