DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

[theenglish]

^Yes but the Avengers had everything laid out in the previous movies so all that back story was taken care of. For the JLA we are jumping into the pot while the fire is roaring. I'm not saying it couldnt be done but it would be a whole lot to squeeze into a single picture.

It would take less than five minutes for J'onn to explain the backstory clearly and simply--no problem.

 

[Trekker4747]

And do you really think Batman and Superman now movies to introduce and explain them to an audience? Wonder Woman doesn't require a two hour introduction to for an audience to get her.

No, we don't need another Batman or Superman movie. Everyone knows all about those characters, but while everyone knows of Wonder Woman, what they actually know about her amounts to: Linda Carter, invisible airplane. She needs it.

Exactly. And the same reason why Aquaman needs it.

 

[theenglish]

And do you really think Batman and Superman now movies to introduce and explain them to an audience? Wonder Woman doesn't require a two hour introduction to for an audience to get her.

No, we don't need another Batman or Superman movie. Everyone knows all about those characters, but while everyone knows of Wonder Woman, what they actually know about her amounts to: Linda Carter, invisible airplane. She needs it.

Exactly. And the same reason why Aquaman needs it.

This is completely fanboy wishful thinking--no character needs a movie to be introduced. Aquaman can be shown to be a badass in two minutes, Wonder Woman even less. No movie needs pre-movies to introduce the characters. If JL is successful, all these characters can get their own movies later.

You can say that you WANT them to have movies, but not that they NEED it. That isn't even something to debate.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Wonder Woman I'd argue would need a movie to erase the 80s TV series version of her to bring audiences "up to date" on what her character is. And as mentioned before Aquaman certainly needs to reprogram people about him. Hell his OWN COMIC in the New 52 needed to do that!

You brought up that argument in the Justice League movie thread. So, to save time, I'll quote you wrote I wrote there:

If anything Aquaman would need the "hardest" movie to overcome the damage Super Friends did to him.

Who the hell remembers the Super Friends? That was 30 years ago. In the meantime, the Justice League cartoon has come out, Justice League Unlimited, Batman: Brave and the Bold, Young Justice, Smallville.

Why does the Super Friends matter, except to a bunch of aging people? Who aren't the target audience?

And actually, Wonder Woman ended in 1979. So, that's 34 years ago. 34. Seriously, who, besides aging fanboys have ever SEEN or remember Linda Carter as Wonder Woman?

Not only add Wonder Woman to the list of cartoons above, but to video games.

People in their 20s don't know this Linda Carter that you are talking about. Not the general audience that is going to see this movie.

And I think it's also curious you never responded to The Incredibles example. Why doesn't that move require, NAY, DEMAND four movies to set it up? Where was the mass confusion?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

^^ It's Lynda Carter... oh shit, I'm an aging fanboy

 

[Guy Gardener]

Fanboy.

Fanman.

Fancodger.

Fancorpse.

 

[Mike Farley]

Action Comics 17 is still extra sized at 48 pages, next month's issue is 40 pages I believe.

It's actually a normal sized #3.99 book. 30 story pages.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Fanboy.

Fanman.

Fancodger.

Fancorpse.

Don't forget Fandango.

 

[Icemizer]

FanZombie.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Fanboy.

Fanman.

Fancodger.

Fancorpse.

Don't forget Fandango.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT8Y4ogvsVk[/yt]

 

[Admiral_Young]

Looks like the new GL creative teams are locked in. I'm kind of interested in Keith Griffen on "Larfleeze" but that's about it.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/02/20/those-new-green-lantern-creative-teams-in-full/

 

[Guy Gardener]

I like it when I'm not the crazy one.

So in Larry Niven's Ganthets Tale we see a hand shuffling the universe when Krona is trying to look at the origin of the universe... Then in Zero Hour we discover that it is Hal Jordan who created all 52 universes and that had always been his hand in the beginning and... Can someone sit Geoff Johns down and tell him to abide with the continuity of other writers "just a smidge".

 

[Agent Richard07]

Saw the "Wrath of the First Lantern" issues and decided to pick them up.

 

[Icemizer]

No can do Guy its a new 52 and we dont know whos hand that is.

 

[Admiral_Young]

That hand was Dan Didio's

 

[Trekker4747]

And I think it's also curious you never responded to The Incredibles example. Why doesn't that move require, NAY, DEMAND four movies to set it up? Where was the mass confusion?

The Incredibles wasn't a movie about the superheroes using the superpowers but about the family, they just happened to have super powers which were easily shown to fit in either certain hero archetypes or just simply what they were. (Stretchiness, fast, made invisible.)

This is different with characters who have decades long histories and a lot deeper backgrounds to them than "Wants to be a superhero, can't because of easily explained reasons."

Tony Stark: Realizing his weapons created a worse world, turning to heroics and developing a personalized weapon in order to make the world safer. Suffers from egotisim, alcoholism, and is a playboy. Again, it took most of an entire movie to set him up as a character. Something you couldn't easily do with a few minutes of exposition in a movie.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I think I got the Action Comics issues mixed up. It's the other way around. Action Comics #17 is 40 pages, and 18 is 48.

 

[OdoWanKenobi]

Is that a new Larfleeze solo title, then? Maybe Threshold isn't panning out.

 

[Icemizer]

No interest in a Larfleez ongoing. This is a character that is best seen in small doses.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I believe it's a new ongoing series. Griffen is still writing "Threshold" I believe, haven't heard about that going away any time soon, along with the new upcoming "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" title.