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DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

Got Wonder Woman #1 yesterday, not a bad little book, beginning to a story, I guess. Nice artwork in it.
 
Don't know if anyone has posted to this link or not, but it is a thoughtful and provocative article from a woman's perspective about the way previously powerful female characters are now being handled in DC:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/

I haven't read the book, but unless there is some strange act that Kori is putting on, the panels that I've seen just look sad.
I was really looking forward to both of the comics discussed in the article, but I honestly don't know if I can after reading that. I did notice one thing though, when she mentions female superheroes she looked up to it was all Marvel characters. So that got me wondering, is Marvel any better when it comes to this kind of stuff?

Comicsalliance usually give Marvel a pass with regards to some of the more sexist stuff.

"I, Vampire" they've been promoting as a different kind of vampire story and I believe that it features John Constantaine, I maybe wrong about that but I seem to remember stumbling upon him during an interview with one of the book's writers.

The "Dark" corner with I Vampire, Demon Knights, Swamp Thing and Animal Man are suppose to be more connected in their own corner of the nuDCU.
 
Don't know if anyone has posted to this link or not, but it is a thoughtful and provocative article from a woman's perspective about the way previously powerful female characters are now being handled in DC:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/

I haven't read the book, but unless there is some strange act that Kori is putting on, the panels that I've seen just look sad.
I was really looking forward to both of the comics discussed in the article, but I honestly don't know if I can after reading that. I did notice one thing though, when she mentions female superheroes she looked up to it was all Marvel characters. So that got me wondering, is Marvel any better when it comes to this kind of stuff?
Something I heard today was kind of interesting: the events of Bendis' first issue of Alias are somewhat similar to the first issue of Winnick's Catwoman, but it manages to be about ten thousand times classier because it knows what it's doing.
 
Cute review remark at comicbookresources.com:

We all grouse about sex and violence in comics today, and DC's new lineup of titles has drawn its share of criticism for it. But only one book last week featured a naked woman in bed holding up a woman in her underwear by the throat before the two team up to go do something else. One changes into her bustier, choker, and knee-high boots (no pants), while offering nothing in the way of additional clothing to the woman parading around in her pink low-rise bikini panties and white camisole. Then the former straddles a horse and chops off an opponent's arm and --

-- it's the internet's favorite comic of the month...

:lol:
 
Cute review remark at comicbookresources.com:

We all grouse about sex and violence in comics today, and DC's new lineup of titles has drawn its share of criticism for it. But only one book last week featured a naked woman in bed holding up a woman in her underwear by the throat before the two team up to go do something else. One changes into her bustier, choker, and knee-high boots (no pants), while offering nothing in the way of additional clothing to the woman parading around in her pink low-rise bikini panties and white camisole. Then the former straddles a horse and chops off an opponent's arm and --

-- it's the internet's favorite comic of the month...
:lol:

So, which title was it?
 
I sort-of liked Wonder Woman, read Supergirl today and liked that one too. I may have to follow these titles too through their first arc.
 
Absolute nonsense. You don't need to sacrifice one for the other. John Byrne, George Perez, Jack Kirby, the list goes on of artists that can deliver the goods without wasting space on the page.

Personally, I've always felt that story was more important than art anyway. That's the reason why I abandoned Image Comics right after picking up most of their #1's back in the day. It was pretty art, but the "stories" read like toy catalogs.

At the rate, by the time the first JL story is done, there will probably only really be four issues of material in a six issue arc. Again, a problem shared by many comic companies these days (Bendis, despite my recently defending him in another thread, is really bad at this.).
 
Absolute nonsense. You don't need to sacrifice one for the other.

It's absolutely what this guy did. I'm looking at it; don't tell me such nonsense.

Personally, I've always felt that story was more important than art anyway.

I don't. As I said, I can and do spend my valuable time reading much better books than anything the comic industry has ever produced.
 
Interesting experiment...unfortunately the compressed issue doesn't alter or fix any of the problems that I had with the issue so it changes nothing for me.
 
The art was hardly a "sacrifice" if the story and pacing are improved, which they were by far.

No and no, sorry. Evidently this kind of stunt impresses you, but it truly misses the point.

It's only the visual aspect of the medium that makes it worthwhile as a medium. Otherwise, you know - read a real book.
 
The experiment is interesting; that's for sure. However, whether it improves or weakens cannot really be judged properly considering the story written for JL #1 was done so in a specific way. What if, for example, Watchmen was reworked to where it had a ton of splash pages. Would that have made the story better, worse, or the same? Truth is one can never know, because that wasn't the style Moore and Gibbons did.

Also, if story is the thing that you appreciate more in a comic than the art (and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that), reworking the story as done in the link won't fix any problems there might be with the narrative. Pretty much what I think Admiral Young was suggesting.

That being said, I understand where the guy is coming from. There has been a seemingly increased focus on splash pages and wider images in comics over the past ten years or so causing the story to be stretched out longer than it feels it needs to be.

ETA: I wonder how long that is going to remain on line before Warner Bros. makes them take it down.
 
Plus the guy at the bottom of the article also still encourages people to buy the issue still....as well as he was making a point about something that bugged him he was still supportive of DC to suggest buying the book, that was kind of classy.
 
The experiment is interesting; that's for sure. However, whether it improves or weakens cannot really be judged properly considering the story written for JL #1 was done so in a specific way.

Really. There's nothing I prefer in the reworked version. Knocking the scene with Vic Stone down to half its pages by chopping up the art and jamming word bubbles closer together fucks up the pacing and flow of the thing.

Stone is, for the most part, a new character to me; the fan cut-and-paste job reduces his introduction to a parenthesis surrounding "how Batman and GL fly to Metropolis." :lol:

ETA: I wonder how long that is going to remain on line before Warner Bros. makes them take it down.

If the guy's actually got a version of the entire issue up there I'd assume not long at all. Once it's out on the Internet, though, it'll always be somewhere.
 
Plus the guy at the bottom of the article also still encourages people to buy the issue still....as well as he was making a point about something that bugged him he was still supportive of DC to suggest buying the book, that was kind of classy.

Something tells me DC won't care about him being classy. :p
 
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